hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3768

1134604 And just on a lighter not on this. I remember being in a pub near to Croke Park in the late 90s and hearing a Derry woman accusing the barman of treating her as a 'second class citizen' because he wouldn't serve her about half an hour after closing :-) Perhaps she ought to have gone to the Equality Authority?
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brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 22/03/2012 10:31:36    1134646

doublehop
County: Kildare
Posts: 1694

1134638
I hate that accusation of 'crybaby stuff'. Armagh are write to report this. The fact that no-one seems surprised by this sort of carry-on means that it's become very widespread by now. By highlighting this carry on they can hopefully take the first steps in cutting it out of the game. How can that be a bad thing?

Doublehop - if Armaghs motivation was to ensure verbals and sneaky tactics were driven out of the game that would be laudable.
However - their motivation is to get McKeevers suspension overturned.

Its just another example of the gamesmanship that is rife in (especially) senior inter-county football. Every single county in the country is up to it. Armagh are past masters. Even in 2003 v Laois they delayed coming out for the 2nd half as some sort of attempt to ruffle the Laois players. Then at the end of the game - soon as they heard the announcement for injury time duration, 2 players went to "injured" to waste time. (They were up by 2 points at the time). Not saying they didnt win that match fair and square - they did- but it didnt stop them messing about.

Likewise that league game Kernan is bleating about, well my recollection of that match (if im thinking of the same game - it was under lights in Portlaoise if it is) was that Laois were hammering Armagh so the Armagh boys started trying to creel anything that moved. So a bit of retalliation could hardly be unexpected. It was frankly pretty agressive stuff with 0 attempt to play the ball.

So lets not try to make out that the Armagh boys are Martin Luther King characters who "have a dream".

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 22/03/2012 10:51:30    1134654

Somebody needs to tell Mc Keever to grow up.....Hardly doing the "hard men from Armagh" image any good?

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 22/03/2012 11:08:21    1134669

I said in my original post that the suspensions should be upheld and have just stated that this kind of thing is widespread. Jeez a Laois man lecturing a Kildare man about gamesmanship that occurred in 2003... what's next? Is Ronaldo going to complain that sometimes players dive when he tackles them?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 22/03/2012 11:52:52    1134701

Think McKeever should just take his suspension, i'm sure he's said and heard a lot worse in his time, truth is he was caught kicking out at another player and got sent off, if it had not been spotted and he did not face a suspension there would not have been a word about been racist and sectarian abuse so just take your suspension and quit whinging.

Pukefootball (Monaghan) - Posts: 377 - 22/03/2012 12:10:58    1134712

Its very hypocritical and typical of some dubs coming on here accusing other counties of being cry-babies,
after the whinging they did to get Connolly re-instated for the AI last year! Pot, kettle, black!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 22/03/2012 12:19:03    1134719

DoubleHop...Armagh never dished out that stuff???????

Jason Sherlock never once made a public issue out of it and he took some true racist abuse.

As I stated its not right....but Armaghcannot take the high morale ground on this.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 22/03/2012 12:23:58    1134725

Hear Brolly saying Armagh need to shup up and stop looking for excuses for their Dire form!!!! Said its a non issue and mentioned about ulster fans calling southern players free staters as the same thing......
Was surprised at that!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 22/03/2012 12:26:42    1134728

Gatekeeper, what whinging did Dublin do to get Connolly reinstated?

Of course you will also recall that it was a red earned by a big tough Ulsterman hitting the ground like a sack of bricks holding his head after being prodded in the chest.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 22/03/2012 12:39:16    1134741

8 game ban ..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13655 - 22/03/2012 12:44:12    1134748

juniorbsub
County: Wexford
Posts: 91

1134669
Somebody needs to tell Mc Keever to grow up.....Hardly doing the "hard men from Armagh" image any good?

Not to mention Mckeever will get some amount of GSTQ themed abuse in the future. Talk about making a rod for your own back.
Not saying its right but it will definitely happen, especially at the business end of the championship against "free state" teams.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 22/03/2012 13:28:02    1134786

DoubleHop...Armagh never dished out that stuff???????

Look if we all know this sort of thing goes on then who cares who the accuser is? Two wrongs don't make a right regarding this sort of lowest common denominator kind of abuse. The only way we can prevent this happening in the future is to talk about it now and agree it's unacceptable. If the Laois player is found guilty and made an example of then he only has himself to blame. Either way whatever happens officially surely the players days are numbered under McNulty anyways considering this person also insulted him and his background.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 22/03/2012 13:47:21    1134807

I have deliberately not replied to see what the reaction and fallout has been and will now have my say:

My first reaction was that McKeever should have laughed in the face of the Laois guy, waited until the next 50/50 ball and hammered right into him or isolated him on his own off the ball and got his retaliation in; that would have been the normal reaction from many opponents when wound up. There is no doubt that nasty in your face stuff happens on the field and has done since competitive sports began. It goes on and will happen again because riling the opposition provokes a reaction and sometimes puts them off their game. Ulster sides have usually given as good as they got in these tete a tetes and can be as in your face as many others. Then I kept reading this week from under age Ulster GAA teams, clubs, players and journalists that they too have been on the receiving end of this hatred and abuse while competing or reporting in the South for years and realised that this in not just banter; this is a culture of intolerance bordering on racism that has been festering in the South for quite a while. I note too from their observations this week that many within the Ulster GAA scene believe there is a nasty element within the GAA and Southern media who are out to do damage or get Ulster at any cost.
What happened in Laois was just a further verification that there has been a deeper malign undercurrent developing in the 26 counties towards people who are different and not 'of the state'. This applies to travellers, black/Asian people, Eastern Europeans, the Ulster GAA scene, the North and the Northern Nationalist comunity in general. As someone who has been travelling South for years I have noticed a wave of bitterness, bad feeling and outright resentment to those seen as 'outsiders' especially towards those from North of the border. For a state that has relied on emigration and other countries taking those in need I have found this ironic, hypocritic and quite shameful. During the Celtic Tiger years the South got greedy, selfish, cold, immoral, unwelcoming and as the Mahon Tribunal revealed today deeply corrupt through all facets of society. Arrogance, disrespect and disregard for others including the laws of the state ran through the South like lettering in a stick of rock and when the economy eventually collapsed under the weight of it's own bad governance these nasty feelings towards others intensified as people needed someone to blame.
Consequently institutionalised partitionism, racism and bigotry has infested all parts of Southern society stoked up by an odious media that is controlled by a few right wing olgarchs. This too, as many Ulster Geals can testify, has sadly embedded itself within the GAA and is now a monster that has lost control of itself. The avalanche of hatred that was directed towards Derrytresk, Ulster and the North after the Dromid game was the outlet for this bigoted intolerance that has been bubbling away in Southern society for a long period. Many individuals in the South are fine, decent people but collectively the state and mindset has morphed into something quite unpleasant which many people within the Ulster GAA scene and six counties in general will confirm. The North went through a period of reflection and navel gazing as to it's own views and prejudices and while not perfect we are getting there; the South needs to follow.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 22/03/2012 14:04:29    1134834

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 4944

1134834 Ulster sides have usually given as good as they got in these tete a tetes and can be as in your face as many others. ........ this is a culture of intolerance bordering on racism that has been festering in the South for quite a while.


'Can be ..'. Talk about an understatment!!! As for the racism, seriously get a chip for the other shoulder and you'll be well balanced.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 22/03/2012 14:14:49    1134846

Ha ha, classic stuff there Ulsterman, you didnt let us down.

May I say, you are absolutely right. The atmosphere down here at the moment is exactly the same as 1930s Berlin.
You can be damn sure that Comandant Kenny will soon have gotten rid of that democracy nonsense and our purge of non free state dogs can begin in earnest!!!!!

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 22/03/2012 14:22:08    1134852

The poor little ulster teams being bullied by the Free State! :)
You couldn't make it up.

Coylers Elbow (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 22/03/2012 14:22:41    1134853

Handbags in fairness. " racism" is a word that shouldn't be used

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 22/03/2012 14:25:59    1134855

Just as I predicted, the reaction is one of deflect and deny and that typifies the mindset in the South currently towards any type of criticism. I am listening to the fall out from the Mahon Tribunal and it paints a very bleak picture of modern day Ireland. The South was institutionally corrupt throughout it's public institutions and this dismissive arrogance and intolerance has manifested itself through all other facets of life there too especially the media and GAA. Mahon found that the South was gombeen to the core and the reactions to the racist abuse towards Northern people vindicate this. What a sorry sad place modern day Ireland has become!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9825 - 22/03/2012 14:36:17    1134863

God Ulsterman you should be at the United Nations!

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 22/03/2012 14:38:26    1134866

Ulsterman, credit where its due, your obviousy an intelligent guy. I mean i disagree with everything you say, but I will give you credit, you are an excellent writer and I would imagine you would make an excellent lawyer. Genuinely.

I also believe you dont believe half the rubbish you spout yourself! Another reason to think you would make an excellent lawyer.

Can I ask your opinion on your fellow Ulster Gael Joe Brollys comments that Armagh are using this as an excuse to excuse their dreaful football, that they havent a leg to stand on when their own fans and players regularly refer to southern teams as free staters and they need to just shut up?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 22/03/2012 14:40:01    1134867