Tom 1916

Well said. Perfect response to that nonsense.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/03/2012 11:28:06    1133817

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0319/1224313526417.html
...the real talking point was when the teams returned for the second half. Sligo referee Michael Duffy issued Armagh centre-back Kieran McKeever with a straight red card as apparently he had been involved in an incident in the tunnel with Laois player Billy Sheehan.

Liam, you've effectively just named Billy Sheehan there but while he was also named as the person who was involved in an incident in the Irish Times on Monday maybe you don't know if he just got caught in the middle of it as it kicked off in the tunnel. I would say however that the same player was mentioned by Kevin Cassidy in 'This Is Our Year' recently as being particularly bad for mouthing off the ball.

What the Armagh county board need to do is be very careful to seperate the two sides of the argument here, if what was said was said then that doesn't justify their actions. They've used language very similar to a quote Martin O'Neill made after an Old Firm game in Ibrox in 2004 about racist and sectarianist abuse. However Celtic didn't go and try and get their cards overturned in the game because of it. McKeever and Grimley should take their suspensions on the chin for reacting to it and then ensure the player who did say these things also gets his punishment.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 21/03/2012 11:41:30    1133820

All I know is there is a lot of completely unsubstantiated rubbish and mud being thrown at Laois and im not going to sit here and put up with this bull.
The bottom line is no one has any proof whatsoever of any of these allegations yet are perfectly happy to brand Laois racist.
This is daft given that to the best of my knowledge, apologies im not an anthropologist and not do i have the DNA helix of every player printed out in front of me all players present in Portlaoise were quite clearly racially homogenous.

Quite clearly. No doubt whatsoever - I reiterate.

So how could any racial abuse have taken place?
How?

Id love if one of you geniusses could tell me??????

Give me one alledged comment that was racist??? One????

You cant - there is none. Case closed.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 21/03/2012 11:45:28    1133825

doublehop
County: Kildare
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and then ensure the player who did say these things also gets his punishment.

What things exactly????

McKeever looses the rag then invents a convincing story to justify the fact that he couldnt handle the pressure and lashed out.
A Laois player is punished for this why exactly???????

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 21/03/2012 11:48:50    1133829

they wont publish the comments that the player mentioned said to mckeever, you know that horse. and why would armagh make up any of this, seriously like, why? You know its true and your trying to make laois look like the innocent party in all this with your big fancy words. if uve any decency you should be slating the player that said it not standing up for him and saying its ok to act like this

goalpost (Armagh) - Posts: 215 - 21/03/2012 11:55:10    1133835

Nice play on semantics Horse but if what is alleged to have been said to McKeever is true then I'm sorry, it's pretty ignorant of you not to be able to see how the Armagh man was insulted/enraged by it.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9898 - 21/03/2012 11:57:13    1133838

Agree totally with Horse.
No man should be named until Mckeever apologises for his part in the whole thing.

Patchy (Kerry) - Posts: 74 - 21/03/2012 11:57:42    1133839

Horse there's no point debating if it was made up or not, neither of us know either way as we weren't in the tunnel or near enough to hear it. Can I just ask you, if you were given evidence that showed beyond doubt that it definitely was said, would you think it was acceptable? Would you think it deserves a suspension? If you do what other sport do you think it would be acceptable to use the term 'British B*****d'?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 21/03/2012 12:00:07    1133844

geniusses? I think you meant genii there Lord Maryborough. I know how offended you get when people use improper terms in the Mother tongue.

Was it not you that eluded to the Laois player making sectarian remarks earlier rather than racist?
Now that accusation is definitely without basis and you should be ashamed of yourself! ;-)

rath_togh (Meath) - Posts: 740 - 21/03/2012 12:03:00    1133847

Lockjaw
County: Donegal
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Nice play on semantics Horse but if what is alleged to have been said to McKeever is true then I'm sorry, it's pretty ignorant of you not to be able to see how the Armagh man was insulted/enraged by it.

Look if a black player was slagged about his race that would be very offensive but for one white man to claim another white man racially abused him is frankly laughable.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 21/03/2012 12:04:15    1133848

I am not defending the player in question who if he did use that expression was behaving like an idiot. However, I am inclined to agree with Horse on charges of being racist as being slightly ludicrous.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/03/2012 12:08:54    1133854

doublehop
County: Kildare
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Horse there's no point debating if it was made up or not, neither of us know either way as we weren't in the tunnel or near enough to hear it. Can I just ask you, if you were given evidence that showed beyond doubt that it definitely was said, would you think it was acceptable? Would you think it deserves a suspension? If you do what other sport do you think it would be acceptable to use the term 'British B*****d'?

The fact of the matter is that GAA is a sport which tolerates a lot of gamesmanship, handbaggery and off the ball rubbish.
Senior football is far and away the worst sector for it.
There has been a massive explosion of it since the Kernan era.
So its a bit rich for a county synonomous with sledging and sneaky tactics to go around whining and crying like little girls when (alledgedly, nothing has been proven) the shoe is on the other foot.

And by the way, that comment about the family bereavement against the Wexford player was alledgedly made by a player from which Orchard loving county I wonder!!!!! Theyre well able to dish out the verbals. Very quick to play the victim card when it backfires.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 21/03/2012 12:11:43    1133857

Horse is right about it not being racist. Its absolutely not racist. Its ignorant and its disgraceful, but its not racist.

One thing about this that needs to be sorted is Armagh need to put up, or shut up.
If your gonna come out and complain like they have (and they have every right to) then they need to substantiate their claims. Its absolutely unfair what they are doing at the moment. Thew entire Laois SF team are under suspicion and this is wrong. Lads like Munnelly, Clancy, Quigley dont dseserve that.
If Armagh are going to make an issue of it, name and shame. Do not castigate and entire team for the ills of one idiot.

We all know who he is, and no-one was surprised! I hope Justin "takes care of it"

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 21/03/2012 12:16:03    1133863

Nice work Horse, theres nothing like adding fuel to the fire.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/03/2012 12:17:13    1133864

Look Horse

What people have found so bemusing on this thread is the fact the - albeit glaring - vocabulary slip-up has been heralded an outrage by you who has made at least 1 per post so far. We have well established that what the player said was not racist. Everyone knows it wasn't racist, but it was wrong, very wrong, insulting and ignorant. McKeever will get his suspension for striking and hopefully so will the player with the big stupid mouth on him.

Any other news?

rath_togh (Meath) - Posts: 740 - 21/03/2012 12:18:16    1133866

Horse, the Wexford player I was referring to was not abused by an Armagh player. Just to clarify!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/03/2012 12:20:12    1133869

Horse

You actually make some very valid points. First of all, you are right, any alleged comments could not be seen as racist (Sean Og O HAilpin has been racially abused by players and supportes around the country including in club games in Cork), however, they were, if true, sectarian and therefore they are still wrong.

It is not fair that people are ganging up on Laois in this case given that it is likely that it is a problem throughout the country (including in Armagh). However, people are simply asking you to condemn what has happened if it is true and not to make excuses. You personally are not guilty and your county team are not going to be branded as racist and sectarian as a result. This story will come back in another guise later in the year and Laois will not be involved. Ecah time it does happen or we even suspect that it happens, we should condemn it, however.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 21/03/2012 12:24:27    1133874

I'm not saying it was racist. That word gets bandied about far too often by people who don't understand its literal meaning.
What was said, if proven, was insulting to a man who comes from an area well known for being targeted by British troops during the Troubles. It was idiotic and designed to provoke a reaction. The reaction was over the top by all accounts so in my view both men should be punished. The gist of what I'm getting from your posts however is that the Laois man doesn't deserve anything...?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9898 - 21/03/2012 12:26:54    1133876

The fact of the matter is that GAA is a sport which tolerates a lot of gamesmanship, handbaggery and off the ball rubbish.
Senior football is far and away the worst sector for it.
There has been a massive explosion of it since the Kernan era.
So its a bit rich for a county synonomous with sledging and sneaky tactics to go around whining and crying like little girls when (alledgedly, nothing has been proven) the shoe is on the other foot.

And by the way, that comment about the family bereavement against the Wexford player was alledgedly made by a player from which Orchard loving county I wonder!!!!! Theyre well able to dish out the verbals. Very quick to play the victim card when it backfires.
horse laois


Well said horse.
They could have just laughed in their faces and gone out to prove a
point by winning on the pitch! But they didn't, and I think that is the
problem here! Armagh are and always have been very sore losers.
This has quickly become an anti-laois thread! Don't take it Laois lads!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 21/03/2012 12:26:57    1133877

rath_togh
County: Meath
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Look Horse

What people have found so bemusing on this thread is the fact the - albeit glaring - vocabulary slip-up has been heralded an outrage by you who has made at least 1 per post so far. We have well established that what the player said was not racist. Everyone knows it wasn't racist, but it was wrong, very wrong, insulting and ignorant.

OK. Lets imagine for 1 moment that the Armagh allegations were true. Is it the case that wrong, insulting and ignorant comments are unusual in the game?
Please - give me a break. Armagh and plenty of other counties with them have plenty of form on the verbals and wind up issue.
Sure even Donegal this year made no bones about the fact that they single out opposition players with short fuses for a bit of sledging. Its there in black and white in that book that caused all the controversy.

Now after years and years of this tactic suddenly Laois are branded the new KKK of football?!!? Grossly unfair. Extremely disingenuous behavior from the Armagh boys.

Sure you yourself have been getting plenty of digs in about the Laois-Offaly plantation, which is pretty ironic considering the side of the argument you planted yourself on.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 21/03/2012 12:30:20    1133882