Can never understand the hostility that the Dublin hurlers seem to attract. They underachieved this year but then they probably overachieved last year. But they will still keep working and improving. I really admire them. Every time a county loses a match you'll always hear someone talking about the need to focus on youth and build development squads. Considering where they've come from Dublin hurling must be the role model for other counties to follow in both codes and what do they get? Grief about how much money they've spent. It's jealousy and it's pathetic.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 09/07/2012 15:10:18    1212874

daytona11
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Yes pumping is different. Underage success is great but if it doesn't translate into senior success in the future then is it not wasted (pumped)? The Dubs look as far away from any realy senior silverware in hurling as they ever did.

do you not ask yourself why they have not achieved at senior maybe that is down to the manager.
its his tactic of the way they play and he has had no plan b all year so instead of blaming dublin county board for developing hurling in dublin at underge levels where there has been huge success why not look for the acyual answer that the senior managment has not got the players playing to their capabilites.
thats why shay boland should take over as senior manager his record speaks for itself he delivered another leinster minor title on sunday the first back to back since the 1950s,he continualy gets the best out of his players and has brought most of the senior panel through minor level so he knows the players realy well

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 09/07/2012 15:18:08    1212893

dhorse
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1212816 daytona11
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1212582 Yes pumping is different. Underage success is great but if it doesn't translate into senior success in the future then is it not wasted (pumped)? The Dubs look as far away from any realy senior silverware in hurling as they ever did.

Firstly it's their own money that they are spending and secondly they have achieved a tremendous amount of the stated goal of promoting and improving hurling in the county, just look at the feile success

"In fairness I think the Dubs are using their own money to develop. I don't think they were helped by the media who build them up to the last. "

Dhorse,

Have a look back at the history of the posts and argument before you jump in. I clearly state that it's their own money that they are spending.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 15:20:58    1212898

Considering where they've come from Dublin hurling must be the role model for other counties to follow in both codes and what do they get? Grief about how much money they've spent. It's jealousy and it's pathetic.
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Fair play to you Doublehop

Hats off to you.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 09/07/2012 15:22:06    1212902

That's a afair point hill. Perhaps they have just been outclassed as well. The manager can really only work with what he has.

It is probably time he went though. Maybe a fresh approach will get a little extra out of the lads.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 15:23:45    1212905

Considering where they've come from Dublin hurling must be the role model for other counties to follow in both codes and what do they get? Grief about how much money they've spent. It's jealousy and it's pathetic.

Ain't it better in ANY county to spend the money on hurling than to do nothing & leave kids to go down other roads in life? So if they spent money that's up to them, if it gets a panel of players interested, focused & committed then so be it.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 09/07/2012 15:25:28    1212910

Why must it be the role model? 1 senior all ireland in 16 years?

When they have done what a tyrone in football and even tipp have done in the hurling then it will be a role model.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 15:34:24    1212928

daytona11
County: Kildare
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Dhorse,

Have a look back at the history of the posts and argument before you jump in. I clearly state that it's their own money that they are spending.

i'll pass on that and take your word for it, did I actually say you ever said anything different.

My point is that the money spent is not a waste, it has been used to promote hurling, if only other counties had the money and the will to do the same it would be a fine thing. You stated at the outset that in a few years Dubin would be in a tier behind wexford and (or) offaly would replace them as the second team in leinster, So what. Wexford and Offaly are promoting hurling also. Sorry if you find that I dont share your antipathy towards Dublin an issue. Money spent on promoting sport is never wasted, even in Dublin. Sorry if you find that my not sharing share your antipathy towards Dublin an issue, try looking at the big picture

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/07/2012 15:46:02    1212950

Why must it be the role model? 1 senior all ireland in 16 years?

I'm only talking about the progress of their hurlers throughout the underage grades as an example that other counties should follow. I'm not talking about Dublin football who have always been competitive.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 09/07/2012 15:53:36    1212965

We've had an awful year in fairness but we're not going away.

The underage and club work will continue.

St. Brigids are All-Ireland Féile champions and the minors are Leinster Champions again so it's not all doom and gloom.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 09/07/2012 16:01:14    1212978

doublehop
County: Kildare
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Can never understand the hostility that the Dublin hurlers seem to attract. They underachieved this year but then they probably overachieved last year. But they will still keep working and improving. I really admire them. Every time a county loses a match you'll always hear someone talking about the need to focus on youth and build development squads. Considering where they've come from Dublin hurling must be the role model for other counties to follow in both codes and what do they get? Grief about how much money they've spent. It's jealousy and it's pathetic.

Nail on head.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/07/2012 16:01:50    1212980

MesAmis
County: Dublin
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1212978 We've had an awful year in fairness but we're not going away.

The underage and club work will continue.

St. Brigids are All-Ireland Féile champions and the minors are Leinster Champions again so it's not all doom and gloom

Very true. the current Dublin squad might not win any cups, but if the current trend continues then it is inevitable that silverware will come, then the moaning will rightly kick off. Success has already been achieved. There are more chaps walking around with hurls than ever.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/07/2012 16:07:57    1213004

"""""""""""The debt that we find ourselves in as a county is huge and could have serious implications for every club in the county as they will more than likely be left to foot the bill. But what exactly have we achieved on the field to vindicate this? We are nowhere near an all ireland title. We haven't achieved anything of serious note an under age level for years. A Leinster title is probably our main shot at any success and even that is only a "shot".

Maybe it's time we stop throwing money and startet too a "Dublin" on it and invest heavily at under age for the next 6 or 7 years. """"

The above is a quote from a county forum.

A lot of pumping and throwing of money going on

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/07/2012 16:36:14    1213055

It needs to be structured. It needs to be injected where it will make a difference in the long run.

And I think we all agree that it will be easier to make the break through at football than hurling. The playing field in terms of talent is a lot more even. It's a lot easier to play catch up in football than hurling.

As I said in the original post, we have been duped into believing that they are contenders for championship silverware.

When I said this a lot of people said that I was speaking to early and that the championship would prove different. It hasn't. I was correct.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 16:47:08    1213072

daytona11
County: Kildare
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1213072 It needs to be structured. It needs to be injected where it will make a difference in the long run.

And I think we all agree that it will be easier to make the break through at football than hurling. The playing field in terms of talent is a lot more even. It's a lot easier to play catch up in football than hurling.

As I said in the original post, we have been duped into believing that they are contenders for championship silverware.

Who duped who?
as there are only 12 teams in the Mc Carthy cup, and 4 them not real ones, then dublin as one of the 8 would be contenders of some description. the fact is dublin hurling has come on a lot. Whether some people like it or not it will come on more hopefully.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/07/2012 16:52:14    1213077

daytona11
County: Kildare
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When I said this a lot of people said that I was speaking to early and that the championship would prove different. It hasn't. I was correct.

You were indeed correct man.

This year.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 09/07/2012 18:50:36    1213204

id like to know is how is kildare hurling going

wrecker (Australia) - Posts: 13 - 09/07/2012 19:06:49    1213220

wrecker
County: Australia
Posts: 11

id like to know is how is kildare hurling going

Absolutely flying now after Seanie landed on the scene...

Bit of a mixed bag this year really.

Won promotion from Division 2B in the league, bet a highly fancied Kerry team in the Christy Ring but then lost to Meath in the quarter final depsite having bet them earlier in the year on two occasions (round one of the league and again in the final).

Promotion was a big plus, especially as many would have placed the likes of Meath, London and possibly Armagh ahead of us at the start of the year. Beating Kerry came as a bit of a shock too really but after that we probably should have done better than we did.

Some good work being done at underage level around the county, and a few decent results for the minors over the last couple of years in the B championship, won it back in '08 or '09.

Would be good to see some sort of development plan similar to the one Dublin have used implemented in Kildare but considering the gulf in interest between football and hurling it's hard to see that happen.

A merger of underage competitions with Meath, Westmeath, Laois and Offaly might be a good way forward too for teams up to under 16 or minor level, and to be fair a few clubs in north Kildare could probably hold their own if they were to play in the Dublin league up to under 16 or so too.

Things look to be slowly taking a turn for the better anyways.

I'd like to know how hurling in Australia is going.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 09/07/2012 20:08:46    1213262

alot of 'B's' in that post

wrecker (Australia) - Posts: 13 - 09/07/2012 20:37:52    1213279

wrecker
County: Australia
Posts: 12

alot of 'B's' in that post

Well if your definition of "alot" is two, then I guess we're on completely different wavelengths altogether and there's probably not much point in trying to engage you in any form of a decent debate.

At least you'll have less worrying to do over Kildare hurling next year when one of those B's becomes an "A".

Mighty oaks little acorns and so on...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 09/07/2012 20:44:41    1213283