What in the name of god are you talking about daytona? When did Croke Park ever rearrange a league to suit Dublin, or Tyrone for that matter? Dublin were regularly relegated between one and two and indeed once between two and three and never once tried to reverse that. Indeed when we won Div II in 2005 there was a proposal not to allow us to be promoted to I. Same was to apply to Louth in football. You can bet anything you want that if we do go down, then there will not be a peep out of Dublin.

As for Wexford, of course it was a joke. Wexford had pulled it out of the fire and sure they might as well have sent out the under 14s for all it mattered to them in the end up. I said before they ought to have left things as they were rather than come up with this charade to save the blushes of some counties. And in the process not doing any favours to Kerry and Wicklow by denying them the chance to play against teams who are now in 1B.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 20/03/2012 15:03:32    1133177

daytona11
County: Kildare
Posts: 1857

Wexford weren't relegated, they were regraded, and judging by their results this year it was just aswel. They would not be able to cope in 1A at the minute. Same goes for ourselves, we'd be hammered in 1A, does no good to nobody. If you can get promoted over Clare and Limerick then you deserve to be there.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 20/03/2012 15:07:22    1133186

Odd post from daytona there, I must say, what rules are you talking about? Anyhoo, hurlingdub's response sizes it up better than I could

And Faithfull, I know what you're saying but at the time I could live it (what choice did we have one way or the other?) but I felt at the time Wexford would be better off in 1B given the rebuilding we have to do, instead of getting hammered out of it every week in Division 1A. But even 1B is proving to be a challenge for us

God be with the days yourselves and ourselves used to be right up there battling it out with everyone else for Leinster, year in year out.....

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 20/03/2012 15:38:38    1133224

So what were saying is if the Dubs go down it shows what level they are really up to?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 20/03/2012 16:38:53    1133287

well I for one would like to see Dublin win a leinster final it would be good for the game I wouldnt rule it out either

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 20/03/2012 16:55:48    1133308

I know gigoer, they were some battles but we are definitely better off where we are at the minute, it looks like Waterford could go down at this stage so getting promoted is not going to get any easier as the years go on. How does relegation from 1A work? Are they straight down or is there a play off with 1B? God help whoever comes up from Division 2, I think they will struggle.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 20/03/2012 17:05:30    1133326

To be honest, I'm not 100% on the promotion/demotion thing, particularly in the restructured hurling. I read somewhere that it's 2 up and 2 down in the football and 1 up and 1 down in the hurling

But I've heard so many gaa buffs say so many things in recent weeks that I'm open to any official line on it

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 20/03/2012 18:51:26    1133417

I taught it was 2 up and 2 down in the hurling and football. When I said break the rules I obviously meantthe retructuring of leagues.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 21/03/2012 10:18:36    1133731

I did some research and this is my summary of it:

Promotion

Top team in 1A plays top team in 1B in one semi final and 2nd and 3rd in 1A play in the other semi final. However the rules said that the top 2 teams in 1B must play eachother for promotion so I'm not sure if the winner goes into the semi final or if the team that actually finishes top goes into the semi final. This wasn't clear.

Relegation

Bottom two teams play eachother and the loser is relegated.

So if Dublin and Waterford lose at the weekend they will play each other in the last game to see who picks up their first points. As the other teams have 4 points they won't be able to finish higher than 2nd last / last. I wonder will Croke Park use the last game then as the relegation or will they make each other play again the following week to see who is relegated.

I can see Dublin beating Tipp at the weekend, there is too much at stake for them to be playing in relegation after winning it last year.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 21/03/2012 11:07:23    1133802

its 1 up 1 down in the hurling and the top 3 in div1a and the top team in div1b go into the semi finals

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/03/2012 11:10:12    1133804

The myth continues!!!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 24/03/2012 19:04:39    1136178

I suppose that this thread is starting becoming more relevant by the week. They seems like a totally different team than last year. Is Daly trying something different?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 02/04/2012 10:21:41    1141618

Well,

Anyone for this now?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 11:53:05    1212511

instead of all the money being pumped into the black hole that is Dublin, money should be put into Westmeath, Laois, Carlow to get them up to the level of Wexford and Offaly.

And then Wicklow, Meath and Kildare have huge scope to improve with the proper resources

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1903 - 09/07/2012 12:02:52    1212533

In fairness I think the Dubs are using their own money to develop. I don't think they were helped by the media who build them up to the last.

In truth, Dublin Hurling has been found out. When they couldn't break down clare they reverted to lobbing in hit and hope balls.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 12:06:52    1212536

valley84
County: Westmeath
Posts: 198

1212533 instead of all the money being pumped into the black hole that is Dublin, money should be put into Westmeath, Laois, Carlow to get them up to the level of Wexford and Offaly.

And then Wicklow, Meath and Kildare have huge scope to improve with the proper resources

Tell me exactly what money has been pumped in t Dublin hurling? I want to see how much been pumped in and who has pumped it in. I want to see sources to back up your point. Are you just saying it because other people said it here? Please show me the figures and back up your statement.

Regarding your point I think it would be great for hurling if money could be found from some where to give hurling a bost in all those counties - and unlike you I would include Wesford and Offaly in that. I think this is what is needed. But I would include Dublin in this. I don't know why you said 'instead of'.when referring to Dublin.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 09/07/2012 12:12:22    1212542

valley84
County: Westmeath
Posts: 198

1212533
instead of all the money being pumped into the black hole that is Dublin, money should be put into Westmeath, Laois, Carlow to get them up to the level of Wexford and Offaly.

And then Wicklow, Meath and Kildare have huge scope to improve with the proper resources

Well in fairness, plenty of money being pumped into hurling in these counties and will be pumped into Wicklow, Meath and Kildare IF they come up with a coherent and well thought out plan which will be backed up by the respective county boards.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/07/2012 12:14:32    1212547

valley84
County: Westmeath
Posts: 198

1212533 instead of all the money being pumped into the black hole that is Dublin, money should be put into Westmeath, Laois, Carlow to get them up to the level of Wexford and Offaly.

And then Wicklow, Meath and Kildare have huge scope to improve with the proper resources

There is absolutely nothing stopping any of the county boards concerned spending money on promoting hurling in their own counties.
Is pumping money something different to just spending it?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/07/2012 12:30:01    1212569

Yes pumping is different. Underage success is great but if it doesn't translate into senior success in the future then is it not wasted (pumped)? The Dubs look as far away from any realy senior silverware in hurling as they ever did.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 09/07/2012 12:35:55    1212582

daytona11
County: Kildare
Posts: 1990

1212582 Yes pumping is different. Underage success is great but if it doesn't translate into senior success in the future then is it not wasted (pumped)? The Dubs look as far away from any realy senior silverware in hurling as they ever did.

Firstly it's their own money that they are spending and secondly they have achieved a tremendous amount of the stated goal of promoting and improving hurling in the county, just look at the feile success

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 09/07/2012 14:42:47    1212816