I think we are all being unfair to Kilkenny. they have plenty of clubs who play football . they have a proper club competition, they have schools and colleges teams. its just that the standard is pretty poor. they should not be competing against senior teams at football. if cavan,leitrim,Longford,sligo,donegal,louth etc etc played any decent hurling team they would get absolutely slughtered (much worse that Kilkenny in football). the problem with kilkenny footballers is that they are on their own in that they are the only county at that standard whereas in hurling there are lots of counties who are at junior standard at best. why is no-one castigating all these poor hurling counties who have barely any clubs and no proper club championships or no schools or colleges competitions. kilkenny should not be forced to play in the senior league or under-21 championship. If kilkenny played louth in the first round of the leinster under-21 hurling champoionship what do you think would happen. this doesn't happen because hurling is split up into A,b etc.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 05/03/2012 11:26:42    1122835

tottally agree with s goldrick....

wagonwheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 50 - 05/03/2012 12:19:37    1122887

There's a point if they are people in Kilkenny who want to play football. It starts with under-age look at Tipp in the last few years. You have to really admire what they have done at under-age level. You have to feel for the KK footballers , they were on the end of a horrible defeat and its not good for teams to be constantly annihilated. Looking at KKs success in hurling , you can see that there is plenty of sporting talent in the county but football is not attractive to young players. Football needs the support of the county board. Dublin hurling was also much maligned until the county board took stock about ten years ago and put in place structures and programs in place at underage . Dublin got coaching help from other successful counties such as KK,Tipp and Waterford at junior level. I know Dublin haven't won a lot of silverware in hurling for a long time but at least we are competing.

spmccann (Dublin) - Posts: 209 - 05/03/2012 12:25:59    1122893

The sport involves hitting a ball as hard as you can with a stick, I'm sure it's good craic to play but let's not pretend it's in any way skillful. Gaelic football is and that's why it's so much more popular. Counties like KK, Waterford, Tipp realised the would never be good enough to win Sam Maguire's so settled for a sport only about 5 counties actually care about. Their Hurling All-Ireland's are worthless I'm afraid to say

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 05/03/2012 12:51:15    1122914

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1122914 The sport involves hitting a ball as hard as you can with a stick, I'm sure it's good craic to play but let's not pretend it's in any way skillful. Gaelic football is and that's why it's so much more popular. Counties like KK, Waterford, Tipp realised the would never be good enough to win Sam Maguire's so settled for a sport only about 5 counties actually care about. Their Hurling All-Ireland's are worthless I'm afraid to say

Hehehehehe
Football more skillful than hurling..... feeling ok pp? hurling is the much more skillful(please god you are messing and taking the p*ss)

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/03/2012 12:54:22    1122916

kk minors lost 6 15 to 0 2 at weekend also.. i think no one minds if a county is weak at one game, but kk treat it with such disrespect. i was talking to an umpire from the u21 game and he said some of the kk lads were having a laugh during the game.. its plainly obvious that the enter so as not too loose grants etc. i agree their is a good standard in some secondary schools there and people mentioned kierans. you will notice that the only have juvenile and junior teams, and no senior team. i wonder why!

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2630 - 05/03/2012 12:57:41    1122919

pp I have to say im surprised people still react to you.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 05/03/2012 12:57:59    1122920

ormondbannerman
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05/03/2012 12:51:15
pplocal
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1122914 The sport involves hitting a ball as hard as you can with a stick, I'm sure it's good craic to play but let's not pretend it's in any way skillful. Gaelic football is and that's why it's so much more popular. Counties like KK, Waterford, Tipp realised the would never be good enough to win Sam Maguire's so settled for a sport only about 5 counties actually care about. Their Hurling All-Ireland's are worthless I'm afraid to say

Hehehehehe
Football more skillful than hurling..... feeling ok pp? hurling is the much more skillful(please god you are messing and taking the p*ss)

Don't worry too much about him, he only seems to raise his head where he has a chance to be negative in any way whatsoever to Hurling (for someone who has little interest in it might I add). Comments from such a person really lack any praise, he might have his own opinion, but many of little fact.

lasttoknow (Tyrone) - Posts: 99 - 05/03/2012 13:09:48    1122932

Its threads like this let us all know just how good counties like Dublin, Cork, Galway and Offaly really are!......true 'Dual' counties!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 05/03/2012 13:14:54    1122936

s goldrick
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I think we are all being unfair to Kilkenny. they have plenty of clubs who play football . they have a proper club competition, they have schools and colleges teams. its just that the standard is pretty poor. they should not be competing against senior teams at football. if cavan,leitrim,Longford,sligo,donegal,louth etc etc played any decent hurling team they would get absolutely slughtered (much worse that Kilkenny in football). the problem with kilkenny footballers is that they are on their own in that they are the only county at that standard whereas in hurling there are lots of counties who are at junior standard at best. why is no-one castigating all these poor hurling counties who have barely any clubs and no proper club championships or no schools or colleges competitions. kilkenny should not be forced to play in the senior league or under-21 championship. If kilkenny played louth in the first round of the leinster under-21 hurling champoionship what do you think would happen. this doesn't happen because hurling is split up into A,b etc.

That doesnt make any sense. Kilkenny footballers are playing in the lowest ring of inter county footballer and are still getting hammered, by the likes of Fermanagh no less who last year lost to London in the championship. If one of the big teams like Kerry, Dublin or Galway played Kilkenny could you imagine the score?

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 05/03/2012 13:17:13    1122941

Offaly, Galway, Tipp, even Clare and Waterford are counties to be truly admired, small enough populations/budgets but can still compete at both codes at some decent level, Even Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Donegal, for example spend alot of money for the devolpment of hurling in their respective counties albeit without reward. Imagine these counties spending all their budgets solely on the footballers, it would be a consideral advantage to say the least. Its a sorry state of affairs when a county cant help itself to develop a competitive panel of footballers even at a div 4 level.

tickman (Kildare) - Posts: 1 - 05/03/2012 13:54:10    1122984

Kilkenny should not be in any football championship. They dont want to play the football so they should stop making a mockery of the game. They should also be fined for players not showing up. Complete joke. They play in one sport in KK so it cant be that hard to be good at it.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 05/03/2012 14:03:13    1122994

paddyogall
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s goldrick
County: Cavan
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1122835
I think we are all being unfair to Kilkenny. they have plenty of clubs who play football . they have a proper club competition, they have schools and colleges teams. its just that the standard is pretty poor. they should not be competing against senior teams at football. if cavan,leitrim,Longford,sligo,donegal,louth etc etc played any decent hurling team they would get absolutely slughtered (much worse that Kilkenny in football). the problem with kilkenny footballers is that they are on their own in that they are the only county at that standard whereas in hurling there are lots of counties who are at junior standard at best. why is no-one castigating all these poor hurling counties who have barely any clubs and no proper club championships or no schools or colleges competitions. kilkenny should not be forced to play in the senior league or under-21 championship. If kilkenny played louth in the first round of the leinster under-21 hurling champoionship what do you think would happen. this doesn't happen because hurling is split up into A,b etc.

That doesnt make any sense. Kilkenny footballers are playing in the lowest ring of inter county footballer and are still getting hammered, by the likes of Fermanagh no less who last year lost to London in the championship. If one of the big teams like Kerry, Dublin or Galway played Kilkenny could you imagine the score?

I disagree totally with you paddy. You obviously havn't thought about this too much. Are you actually trying to say that Div 4 teams in football (KK excepted) are as bad proportionlly as div 4 hurling teams (or div 3b) . Would you put your house on kerry beating Fermanagh.. No. Is it a foregone conclusion that Donegal would beat Antrim. NO. what about wicklow and armagh. (they drew last year.) Now imagine the same scenario in hurling. I certainly would put my house and every penny i own on any div one hurling team beating any div 4 hurling team. In fact you wouldn't even get odds on it. The difference in standards between the top and bottom teams is far far greater in Hurling than it is in football. In fact the top hurling counties NEVER play any of the lower ranked counties in hurling. so why should KK have to play the other football counties.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 05/03/2012 14:08:40    1122998

pplocal slags off hurling saying youre just hitting a ball with a stick,then he praises Rory McIlroy on the other forum........sigh.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 05/03/2012 14:28:56    1123034

A golf hole is 4.25 inches in diameter, a set of posts are 6.5 metres wide and there's no limit to how high you can hit it. Bit of a difference no?

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 05/03/2012 14:45:03    1123044

It can still be reduced to the simplicity of hitiing a ball with a stick though,its your logic not mine.I acknowledge that golf is a very difficult sport to master,like hurling.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 05/03/2012 15:04:09    1123062

Bit confused with numerous posts today, so could someone please help me with a question, 'WHAT are the skills in Gaelic Football?
PPlocal, maybe you know the answers?

martinprince (Tyrone) - Posts: 187 - 05/03/2012 15:07:54    1123066

If Hurling nets were 4.25 inches wide or a golf hole was 6.5 metres wide I may revise my opinion on each sport but they aren't. Golf, snooker etc. require a certain finesse, it's all about positioning, judging how hard to to hit the ball, thinking a few moves ahead. Hurling involves leathering the ball as hard as you can towards the oppositions goal without fail

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 05/03/2012 15:13:11    1123072

A golf hole is 4.25 inches in diameter, a set of posts are 6.5 metres wide and there's no limit to how high you can hit it. Bit of a difference no?

Maybe so pplocal, but I bet he can't put it in the hole on the run over the shoulder from 60 yards. He is also a professional who is paid to practise and most of his puts are from within 10 feet.

Hurling clearly has more skill and is more difficult to play. That's why every county has a half decent football team (except KK) but only a handful of teams can play hurling. It's like saying there is a shortage of Doctors because it is too easy to get qualified in. You've got no argument. Where is the skill in football? Kicking over the bar yes, after that handpassing and kicking and catching. It's not rocket science. Put a football in the hands of every county hurling team and put a hurl in the hands of every county football team and I guarantee the hurlers would do a better job at the opposite sport. A lot of footballers I know couldn't hit the ball 20 yards not alone play a pass 80 yards into a mans hand. I'd love to see you tog out in a Junior hurling game in Kilkenny. I'd bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't get near the ball.

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 05/03/2012 15:15:03    1123077

Hurling involves leathering the ball as hard as you can towards the oppositions goal without fail

Somebody call Brian Cody quick and tell him pplocal has finally figured out the reason to Kilkenny's success over the last ten years. If this is what the young kids of your club in Tyrone are been thought then god help them.

I wonder does Rory McIlory have to run with the ball balanced on his club while people are chasing him down wearing the elbows off him. Shefflins point in this years final, ball thrown in by the ref, as he controlled it on the hurl, the opponents hurley was broke off his leg and he looked up and landed it over the bar. Majestic stuff.

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 05/03/2012 15:25:02    1123086