Now first of all let me say that kk themselfs need to want to be helped and to be honest I don't think they do. They have a stranglehold on what is to be honest a minority sport taking the country as a whole. Let's face it they play in a sport that where only about 2 maybe 3 different counties per year are genuine contenders now the name of those counties may change from decade to decade but I think you could count about 8 in total.
So it is not a national sport it is not the greatest game in the country or in the world yes its fast but your hitting the bloody thing with a stick. Lacrosse is fast too doesn't mean its interesting to those who watch it. The facts are that this weekend most counties will have high attendance for there football games would they same be said of hurling? No.
So yes promote both in every county don't disrespect one or other by failing to fill a team. Most in kk don't care that u21s had no subs as it was only a football match. That is not good reflection on kk. There is plenty of experienced football people willing to help out but it must be facilitated by kk. And even of the players you mentioned I would only recognize 3 of them immediately.
To sum up help is there but if its ignored then some sanctions must be issued.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2012 13:15:04    1121069

But honestly, with a population just shy of 100,000 its gone to f*ck if they can't do something in that county to get more people playing football.

This may be true but have you visited Kilkenny in the last 10 years, half of that population is Polish!!!

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 13:45:55    1121095

Royal Dunne and the rest of the posters epitomise whats wrong with the gaa as a whole, i posted a while back with my idea as to how KK could get out of this rut, not one person commented on it, instead choosing to debate whether or not KK should be criticised.

As for Royal Dunnes rant against hurling, it doesnt make any sense what your saying, in the last ten years only 4 counties have won the football with the two in recent years changing almost a decade of dual domination by Kerry and Tyrone. Lets go the decade before hand, several counties won the football as they did the hurling, it all swings in round abouts, difference being if hurling was purely about speed and fitness the surely some of the footballing counties would excel, its a different type of skill and not understood here clearly by the ignorancce of royal dunne, if the footall was realistic they could have two tiers, maybe even three, so less of the crap.

Instead of publicly condemning instead of giving it the whole "let them play" which croke park comes out with, why not look at proposals/ideas to help them? the same for the hurlers of leitrim and cavan.

North Side Gael (None) - Posts: 1076 - 02/03/2012 13:53:26    1121106

Nearly every county is dual but just a couple are successful :
1. cork
2. Galway
3. Dublin
4. Antrim - especially at club and schools level
5. Tipperary recently so
6. Offaly
Wexford
7.Limerick - footballers unluckly recently
8. Derry - at underage and schools level
9. Laois
10. Westmeath
11. Down
12. Meath
13. Armagh
14. Kerry
15.Clare


These counties can be moved about on the list , but over the last 30 years these counties have competed at various degrees of success -

Ha ha, sorry cuchulainn35 but this post should be in the Friday afternoon joke section. Armagh competing in both codes for the last 30 years? You've been doing some day dreaming because ye only won ye're first senior all ireland in the last decade, as for the hurling, I nearly fell off my chair. London gave ye an awful trimming last weekend. Is that what you call competing? 2-12 to 0-01 at half time against London? Cork, Galway and Dublin are the only 3 teams that could possibly win both codes.

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 13:55:02    1121107

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 344
So it is not a national sport it is not the greatest game in the country or in the world yes its fast but your hitting the bloody thing with a stick.

Another man day dreaming. So you are saying that catching a big round ball and kicking it or handpassing it is more skillful than running at full pelt and controlling a ball coming at you at huge speeds or catching a ball while a man is pulling on your arm or striking off the hurl on the run over the bar.

Have you ever played hurling other than hitting a ball in your garden? Football can be picked up at any age, people from other sports could walk straight into football teams, rugby, aussie rules, soccer etc. If you don't play hurling from the ages of 5 or 6 the chances of you been any good are very slim. What other sporting professionals could pick up a hurl and be able to hold their own in a game? None if you ask me, it's a game that is completely unique and that is why it is our national sport and the best sport in the world to watch when played by the experts.

I'm sure now you'll tell me that the All Ireland football semi final between Dublin and Donegal was better than the hurling Semi between Dublin and Tipperary? I said it earlier and I'll say it again, "Puke Football"

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 14:04:48    1121113

Footballforever
County: UK
Posts: 69

1121113 royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 344
So it is not a national sport it is not the greatest game in the country or in the world yes its fast but your hitting the bloody thing with a stick.

Another man day dreaming. So you are saying that catching a big round ball and kicking it or handpassing it is more skillful than running at full pelt and controlling a ball coming at you at huge speeds or catching a ball while a man is pulling on your arm or striking off the hurl on the run over the bar.

Have you ever played hurling other than hitting a ball in your garden? Football can be picked up at any age, people from other sports could walk straight into football teams, rugby, aussie rules, soccer etc. If you don't play hurling from the ages of 5 or 6 the chances of you been any good are very slim. What other sporting professionals could pick up a hurl and be able to hold their own in a game? None if you ask me, it's a game that is completely unique and that is why it is our national sport and the best sport in the world to watch when played by the experts.

I'm sure now you'll tell me that the All Ireland football semi final between Dublin and Donegal was better than the hurling Semi between Dublin and Tipperary? I said it earlier and I'll say it again, "Puke Football"

Why do you call yourself footballforever then!

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 02/03/2012 14:24:00    1121134

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 344
So it is not a national sport it is not the greatest game in the country or in the world yes its fast but your hitting the bloody thing with a stick.

Never remember seeing President Barack Obama being presented with an O'Neill size 5 when he visited Ireland.

lasttoknow (Tyrone) - Posts: 99 - 02/03/2012 14:27:58    1121139

As for Royal Dunnes rant against hurling, it doesnt make any sense what your saying, in the last ten years only 4 counties have won the football with the two in recent years changing almost a decade of dual domination by Kerry and Tyrone. Lets go the decade before hand, several counties won the football as they did the hurling, it all swings in round abouts, difference being if hurling was purely about speed and fitness the surely some of the footballing counties would excel, its a different type of skill and not understood here clearly by the ignorancce of royal dunne, if the footall was realistic they could have two tiers, maybe even three, so less of the crap.

Instead of publicly condemning instead of giving it the whole "let them play" which croke park comes out with, why not look at proposals/ideas to help them? the same for the hurlers of leitrim and cavan.


Oh hit a nerve did I?

Well let's back up the facts. Kerry,cork in munster have a possibe all ire in them and certainly provincial title. Tipp will have in a few years
Conaught. Mayo, galway, sligo, roscommon, all have provincial claims, with first 2 could compete for ai in qf or further
Ulster, tyrone,down,donegal,armagh, monaghan, derry would all feel they have chance of winning ulster, and most in particular tyrone down and donegal and armagh could see them selves as going far in ai
Leinster. Dublin, kildare, meath, wexford, would all see leinster as a possible throw into that laois and louth. As for all ire dublin and kildare could be contenders maybe even meath

Bit of a trend hear? Now hurling.
Conau
ght. Oh yeah
Leinster. Kilkenny, dublin, galway ?? offaly. Out of this with genuine ai chance kilkenny
Ulster oh yeah. Antrim

Munster. Tipp. Cork, waterford, genuine ai contenders? Tipp

Think I have proved the only thing that you stated from my post whilst totally my main point that there is plenty of help for kk football if the want it. You didn't answer that did you?
As for your anti football remarks which is most popular? Oh no what you going to do its football.
Which requires a lot more skill in particular when you have to try and score with either foot or fist and not hit a ball with a stick.
I have nothing against hurling its nice to watch sometimes I have no particular desire to go to a game when the results are almost always predetermined. As can not be said of football there is always the opportunity for shocks and for any county to raise to top. Ask laois, kildare, westmeath, all have won leinsters in little over last decade
Look to ulster. Need I say more, same as conauhgt. And don't tell me tipp do not have ambitions there

So before you go on another stupid rant without knowing what your talking about check your facts. I must admit your ignorance knows no bounds.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2012 14:31:21    1121145

Good to see the abbual bash KK football thread is up and running.

We field a team and get hockeyed and we are a disgrace. We don;t field a team and we are a disgrace.

If we weren't so good at hurling no one would care.

Wicklow didn't field an under 21 hurling team last year. Can someone point me to the thread on that?

Longford didn't field an under 21 hurling team last year. Can someone point me to the thread on that?

Cavan didn't field an under 21 hurling team last year. Can someone point me to the thread on that?

Leitirm aren't fielding a senior team in the league this year. Can someone point me to the thread on that?

Look, if there a few fools on here calling us a disgrace, so be it. We'll stick to hurling and handball. And personally I'd like to see a separate hurling board as there are far too many county boards paying lip service to hurling whilst focussing all attention on football.

Give me Kilkenny's succes in hurling and handball over the medicrity of other counties being awful at hurling and not much better at football.

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 02/03/2012 14:33:03    1121147

cavan and leitrim are proper dual counies. We are rubbish at both codes

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 02/03/2012 14:38:53    1121161

Why do you call yourself footballforever then!

Why do you call yourself Tom1916?

I live in the uk now and the footballers are treated like royalty and the hurlers get sweet f all so I decided in order for my opinions to be achknowleged I play the dummy handpass and let them believe i'm going to stand up for the footballers.

Don't get me wrong, what is happening in Kilkenny is not something I think is right but I worked there for ten years and I know how the system works. Problem with this site is there are genuine people who would like to help and then others (the majority) who just want to kick them while there down while they themselves do absolutely nothing to promote the weaker code of their county in most cases hurling. I'd be very surprised if any Kilkenny people called Cavan hurling a disgrace when they pulled their team out. Armagh did in fairness get to an Ulster hurling final last year but Antrim played out their second team and won easily so it's really false hope, are they improving or is the standard outside of Antrim getting worse? I'm not forgetting the appearance that the club team made in Croke Park this year either, that was great.

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 14:38:59    1121163

Oh my there are so many great hurling people in dublin and tyrone I didn't know especially when dublin played in 2 semi finals and one was better attended than other why?

They national sport of france is a form of bowling on a road. Still I think soccer, rugby, may just be more popular

He was also presented with point of black stuff so does that mean we all have to drink it?

Imo I enjoy football more as I do handball. So if we don't all think that hurling is god in gaa we are wrong?
I can't wait to see the attendances at hurling this year it will be fantastic croke park will jave to play both semis on dif sundays as sooo many will go. 80k+ each

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2012 14:42:41    1121170

Agreement should be 2 separated

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2012 14:47:09    1121175

Fair play Pudders, the ship has landed at long last.

Think I have proved the only thing that you stated from my post whilst totally my main point that there is plenty of help for kk football if the want it. You didn't answer that did you?

Royaldunne you are talking about facts and then make the above statement. Now back it up. Where is the "plenty of help" you mention coming from? Who are the people offering it and what are they offering? Who from Kilkenny has turned down this help? If you're going to make a statement then be prepared to prove it.

As for your stats on teams competing, blanket defences and handpasses and bringing teams down by slowing the game is not the what was intended when Gaelic Football was started. Those tactics have runined the game and that's why games are tighter. Donegal playing with 13 players inside their own half, sure why wouldn't the score by close. At least there is no nonsense like that in Hurling.

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 14:49:36    1121180

Many have made offers of awell without naming names the only person I will mention is myself I have attempted to teach underage in kk and was frustrated at every turn. Had a match one day and was at pitch by myself as the kids had been called to hurling training. Hurling takes precedence end of and try to instill anything re a co existence and there is war. I have been there so yes I have more authority to speak on this than most. Completely different in county I reside in now as both are treaty as equal even tho neither can claim great success

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2012 15:18:44    1121219

Sorry, could someone point to me the threads on why the following counties aren't fielding a minor hurling team this year in either the A or B championship:
LOUTH
LONGFORD
MAYO
LEITRIM
SLIGO

Puddersthecat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1692 - 02/03/2012 15:23:35    1121229

By the way I do not reside in meath and haven't for 20 years but it will always be my county. And as I have stated many times before a home game in navan is almost a 100 mile round trip for. Yet in those 20 years I have missed 4 matches in all competitions. And navan is a long drive 10 years ago with bad roads from kilkenny

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2012 15:29:44    1121240

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 349

So your motto is if at first you don't suceed give up? I'm not doubting you may of tried to organise a training session but based on what you are saying, you are saying that someone said no we don't want to train and then you offered advise and someone said we don't want your advise?

Kids can't be two places at once, if they were off hurling training then you only have yourself to blame for not organising it when the kids were free. I thought that would of been an obvious choice to make. Didn't realise we were now forcing kids to choose the sports we want them to play and they are not allowed make their own choice.

And secondly your comment was not about attendance, it was about skill, and that hurling is just hitting a ball with a stick as you say. Attendance to games and skill have no relation what so ever. Going by your judgement League 1 soccer in England has more skill than Gaelic. No wonder the kids in Kilkenny wouldn't listen to you and decided not to turn up.

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 15:43:51    1121256

I know what goes on in Kilkenny and as the underage trainers normally do both football and hurling I'd be very surprised if there was hurling training scheduled at the same time as a match. Are you going to mention the club or are all your "facts" actually fictional...

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 02/03/2012 15:48:29    1121258

It's not just football that comes 2nd to hurling in Kilkenny. Soccer, rugby & basketball do too! Part of being from KK is their hurling identity & the vast majority there buy into it & are proud of it. And why wouldn't they be?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/03/2012 15:59:23    1121267