Why leave it at 65,000 a year?Surely subs on the Fermanagh hurling team and Kilkenny football team deserve more!

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 08/02/2012 12:03:01    1107767

whiterbannnas
County: Mayo
Posts: 1995

1104930 PK57

Ticket prices may need to be increased to 70 or 80 euro per match alright.

whiterbannnas
County: Mayo
13euro is way too much of an entrance fee. What planet are the GAA on? 2euro is more than enough. And 50c for u16s. Its still gonna cost a family of four 5euro to attend a game which is steep enough in these recessionary times

While I'm not in the same league as yourself business wise, I think there is a gaping hole in the business plan.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 08/02/2012 13:32:05    1107822

Whiterbananas, Horse, et. al
Gotcha.
Good one.

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 08/02/2012 13:41:14    1107835

Dubfan Abroad
County: Dublin
Posts: 117

1107473 Horse,
I don't think you got my point. We are a VOLUNTARY organization, a very unique one. That is what makes us special. The allegiance to your local club and county, it does not happen in any pro sport. The best players in the country are accessible to one and all at the club level. Kids grow up rubbing shoulders with these guys and know that they are real people. But these players also have to understand, they got there on the backs of volunteers and those that came before them did it with pride of club and county and thats all they needed. I have read many accounts of players the likes of Kevin Heffernan, Mick O'Connell, Christ Ring, Eddie Keher and the like and rarely if ever did you hear a complaint that they were not paid for their efforts. They were honored to have been able to represent.
Todays players are taken much better care of than those names mentioned, hotels, trips, gear, recognition and in some cases jobs that they would not have gotten otherwise. They put in a ton of commitment and effort for a love of the game and they do reap rewards. I have no problem with GAA players making some extra cash by being the face of some sports drink or perfume but all the pay should come from the sponsor, not the organization whose volunteers got them to where they are now.
08/02/2012 10:28:07
Horse
County: Laois
Posts: 857

1107696 Dubfan Abroad, would you not be in agreement with Dessie Farrells vision for the future? A future where rather than being forced to play the games on cold saturday mornings, and use up valuable resources in the process, they can instead sit at home in overpriced acryllic jerseys stretched across ever expanding guts; waiting to go to the game that evening where they will stuff themselves with hotdogs and cola and sit in grossly overpriced seats watching the true elites of the game?

Surely this is what every true gael wants for the organisation?
A sky sports style generation of hapless rubes shelling out ever increasing portions of ever decreasing incomes on illusionary glory?
08/02/2012 11:15:41
DUB1
County: Dublin
Posts: 1688

1107726 Pay them all- !!! NO !!! Leave it well alone. Dont try fix something that aint broke...


dubfan, you are being wound up. sorry horse i gad to tell

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 08/02/2012 14:21:50    1107859

It can never work for €65k a year unless they keep working their normal day job. What if a player decides not to go to college to fulfil his hurling / football ambitions and at the age of 25 or 26 picks up a career ending injury. He is then left with no qualifications, no job and no money. What happens then?
I'm not clued in with the league of Ireland but do the top players for Shamrock Rovers and the like still work full time jobs during the week or how do they manage it? I can't imagine there been bigger crowds at Irish soccer than at GAA so if players were to be paid could it be done on the same basis?

Footballforever (UK) - Posts: 92 - 08/02/2012 14:49:14    1107875

Just say every GAA player was paid 64k a year. Imagine the trouble it would cause when it came to choosing the panels of players to be paid. There are always one or two spots on a squad where it doesn't really matter who gets on and the managers could be very biased picking some players such as ones from the club or relations etc.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 08/02/2012 15:49:26    1107939

Might be in more trouble for not picking the wifes "relations"

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 08/02/2012 15:58:40    1107948

dhorse
County: Laois

While I'm not in the same league as yourself business wise, I think there is a gaping hole in the business plan.

Well obviously you are not much of an economist. If you were you would see that things need to be looked at in a broad sense not through a keyhole. Mine was more a general observation and idea-driven plan to improve the well being of our great organisation. Hope this clears up any confusion re the business plan

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 09/02/2012 11:09:07    1108344

No manager in stronger counties should be paid and the practice should be stopped immediately. However, I wonder if there should be some exceptions? Do weaker counties need outside managers? Do they therefore have to pay? If so, should the money come from some sort of central fund? And perhaps the manager should be appointed from a central panel?

Also, players should be allowed to make whatever they can from commercial promotions - but have to abide by certain conditions. A few years ago the Cork lads were told to stop advertising on hurleys. At the time, I agreed with it. You can't let guys do stuff willy nilly, otherwise they'll soon start running their own add campaigns on the jersey! However, at its core, it was a good revenue spinning idea. The lads should be allowed to put adds on their hurleys on condition that a percentage of the payment is given over to a GAA fund for hurling in weaker counties. The rest, they keep themselves. Also, by making specific rules like that, you control what can and can't be done. IE - put it on the hurley - but nowhere else.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 09/02/2012 11:55:31    1108388

whiterbannnas
County: Mayo
Posts: 1997


Well obviously you are not much of an economist. If you were you would see that things need to be looked at in a broad sense not through a keyhole. Mine was more a general observation and idea-driven plan to improve the well being of our great organisation. Hope this clears up any confusion re the business plan

Exactly - crystal clear.
Whats required now is bold vision, blue sky thinking and revolutionary conceptionalisation of visionary paradigms. We cannot allow our great organisation to fall into a peripathetic cycle of monday morning quarterbacking and back seat driving. We need to visualise our future in order that we realise our goals.

Might I suggest that 100m euro be set aside for feasibility studies in 2012. It may seem like a paltry amount to many enthusiastic gaels but much as we need to embrace this change, pragmatism and steely eyed realpolitik are also called for in dynamic period.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 09/02/2012 12:31:56    1108423

whiterbannnas
County: Mayo
Posts: 1999

1108344 dhorse
County: Laois

While I'm not in the same league as yourself business wise, I think there is a gaping hole in the business plan.

Well obviously you are not much of an economist.

I'm not an economist whatsoever. Are you?

I'm not a rancher either but I know the whiff of bull dung from a good distance

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 10/02/2012 17:20:30    1109253

This Whiterbannnas guy is clearly not living in the same world as the rest of us.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 29/02/2012 19:51:01    1120009

08/02/2012 14:49:14
Footballforever
County: UK
Posts: 59

1107875 It can never work for €65k a year unless they keep working their normal day job. What if a player decides not to go to college to fulfil his hurling / football ambitions and at the age of 25 or 26 picks up a career ending injury. He is then left with no qualifications, no job and no money. What happens then?
I'm not clued in with the league of Ireland but do the top players for Shamrock Rovers and the like still work full time jobs during the week or how do they manage it? I can't imagine there been bigger crowds at Irish soccer than at GAA so if players were to be paid could it be done on the same basis?

They could still do a degree while training as a fully paid professional athlete. Colleges around the country make allowances for pro rugby players doing degrees, i imagine they would do the same with hurlers and footballers. For example Paul o Connell has completed 3 of 4 years of a degree that he did years ago and is completing the degree on a part time basis

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 20:32:38    1120033

Perhaps picking a panal of 25 on Jan 1st - each player and manager gets €10,000 a year, would go a long way

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4678 - 29/02/2012 20:44:48    1120047

ormondbannerman
County: Clare

Some time (10 or 15 years) I discovered that a lot of the "Full Time" Soccer were actually on "Part Time" contracts but got the Dole as well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know if that ever changed much

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 29/02/2012 21:10:25    1120070

Loyal2TheRoyal
County: Meath

This Whiterbannnas guy is clearly not living in the same world as the rest of us.

Excuse me?

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 01/03/2012 16:32:41    1120560

Loyal2TheRoyal
County: Meath
Posts: 4454

1120009 This Whiterbannnas guy is clearly not living in the same world as the rest of us.

of course he's not. he comes from "virtual" mayo, the same place that gave us ballboy and paddy o'gallstones

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 01/03/2012 16:40:35    1120566