JinxyPoop
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1095692 Flat rate amount - additonal bonus payment based on performance - and there you have it

some managers will be in more demand than others, how will they stop a manager getting extras under the table particularly in counties with a benefactor with spare cash

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/01/2012 10:09:59    1095724

I don't really understand the thinking of people who say managers should be paid but not the players. The GAA is built on amateurism, paying players would go against everything we stand for and i don't see how paying managers is any different. Every county has plenty of ex-players who would love to manager the county team, it's time we used these players and ignored the ones who are only interested in making some extra cash.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 18/01/2012 11:04:44    1095767

A lot of managers are getting paid already at both club and county level so they shoud at least try to regulate the payments. ( I know its different but in the US College sports managers and trainers get well paid while the atheletes get suspended if they get anything more that their scholarship)

I would much prefer managers get paid than intercounty footballers who, many of them anyway, do less than some of their club counterparts.

Stan.D.Hogan (Galway) - Posts: 152 - 18/01/2012 11:13:37    1095772

Managers should get expenses only and not an untaxed wage. If we pay managers then we'll be paying players next - check out the article about players tweeting on the main page if you don't think that will happen. The GAA is built on community pride - pride in your club jersey and if your lucky enough to get the chance - pride in your county colours. Managers work hard yeah - but they know the responsibility they are taking on when applying for these positions and should not require monetary compensation to do so. The best way to regulate is random club and county books audits - a few heavy punishments will sway clubs and county boards from making these under the table payments

Daithi2009 (Louth) - Posts: 282 - 18/01/2012 12:28:13    1095831

I think most people involved with a club will be very unhappy with payments to managers or anyone else no matter what level. I mentor two underage teams and if I thought our club's senior teams mentors or players where receiving money I'd be gone as would my chldren. Maybe it should be left exclusively to the Tax office to root this out and any irregularities canbe made public. But is that what the GAA is afraid off? Because that seems to be the only motivation of the powers that be.
But if it is decided to regularise payments it will lead to serious problems, you can already see the players reactions and you have to sympathise with them. But it is a bit rich well-heeled and well paid mandarins in the GAA preaching to the reat of us, they don't even see the bitter irony of it all.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 18/01/2012 12:29:11    1095832

I was at a talk last night about the give a year back initiative. Speaking were John Lonergan, and Liam O'Neill (the incoming GAA president) and both of them made great effort to tell us that volunteering is the most important aspect of the GAA, and yet we get this announcement that they will legalise payment to managers. How about intercounty managers giving a year back rather than being greedy and seeing how much a club or county board is willing to pay them.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 18/01/2012 12:30:22    1095833

Im glad this issue has come out and people are talking about it. I think it may have been related to some High Profile ex players taking up Managing roles for other counties than their own. No doubt its all about the money. Why is the sport Amateur, what would be so wrong with a Professional game? The GAA is like a Taliban Democracy - no one has any rights only those in authority.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 18/01/2012 12:39:10    1095838

What about bringing in a manager registration criteria similar to the player's , in that you must be from a county or permanent resident in a county in order to manage that county . It would cut out some of the career managers who seem to do the rounds on alot of counties plus it would cut down on travelling and expense costs as managers would have shorter distances to travel for training sessions etc . The fact that a manager is managing his own county , you would imagine that as a whole he would be less inclined money wise , and on a much smaller wedge if any at all .

Could see some problems with this of course , would have a very negative impact on the development of hurling in the weaker counties . Don't know if you could implement it just for football . Any thoughts?

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 18/01/2012 13:33:20    1095882

Good point hardtimes. I was thinking the same myself. There could be concessions made for counties that are in need of development whereby the county board would make a request to Croke Park for outside assistance. Our manager in Louth doesn't get paid. He gives up his time because he want to see his county becoming successful not because he needs some extra cash. I read another poster suggesting we let the tax man deal with it, maybe this is the only way. Croke Park could warn managers they suspect are being paid that if they persist they will request an audit. This sounds very extreme but they are the ones breaking association rules. There could also be a phone line set up for any county board members who have information about payments to managers. I think the GAA saying they can't stop this is a cop out and maybe a sign of changes to come regarding payment to players.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 18/01/2012 13:55:26    1095905

Hi Louth Gael , the concession idea could work . Definitely agree the GAA are copping out a bit , and I wouldn't agree with dumping the problem on Revenue . I suppose my priority would be keeping an eye on the running costs of the county boards . I would prefer that money and resources be allocated back to grassroots and underage instead of making sure the I's are dotted and the T's crossed for the taxman .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 18/01/2012 15:11:41    1095974

Inter-county is fine. While there may be a problem, there are ways and means to sort it out. The real problem lies at club level and the (over) payment of managers there

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 18/01/2012 15:33:31    1095992

I hear Dublin don't pay Managers but they definately are paying somebody somewhere in the GAA.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 18/01/2012 15:55:07    1096026

18/01/2012 09:42:02
allSOran
County: Sligo
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Top brass in the GAA remind me of "Animal Farm"

Summed up in a nutshell. You would nearly think that the GAA is run from a blueprint of the novel.

"All GAA members are equal.... but some are more equal than others "

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 691 - 18/01/2012 16:07:15    1096046

I hear Dublin don't pay Managers but they definately are paying somebody somewhere in the GAA.
cacsmckilly , 18/01/2012 at 15:55
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100% correct!

Dublin do pay somebody somewhere in the GAA.......'The Financial Director' gets all the money gained from our ticket sales so as the whole organisation can survive!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/01/2012 16:15:37    1096050

Hi EnolaGay , I agree regarding club and it's very difficult to see a solution but alot of club managers are from outside a county . Some form of registration/regulation might be as good a place to start as any

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 18/01/2012 16:25:39    1096058

hear Dublin don't pay Managers but they definately are paying somebody somewhere in the GAA.
cacsmckilly , 18/01/2012 at 15:55
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100% correct!

Dublin do pay somebody somewhere in the GAA.......'The Financial Director' gets all the money gained from our ticket sales so as the whole organisation can survive!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snuff, Are most Dublin fans not just big day fans? Yes you can fill Croker but only in August and September. Ye don't travel outside of Dublin for fear of getting a hiding by the culties.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 18/01/2012 16:37:41    1096072

Snuff, Are most Dublin fans not just big day fans? Yes you can fill Croker but only in August and September. Ye don't travel outside of Dublin for fear of getting a hiding by the culties.
cacsmckilly , 18/01/2012 at 16:37
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Ehh, the only hiding anyone remembers involving Dublin was the one we dished out to ye above in Healy Park that left ye lookin fair sheepish!!

......oh, and ye boys arent culchies yer 'nordies'!!

As for the rest of it, well, the first time anyone in tyrone ever had a day out was when they realised they had invented the GAA in 2003!!.....cos they never knew it existed before then, and were 'flash in the pan' merchants for a few years and now gone again!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/01/2012 16:45:38    1096082

Ehh, the only hiding anyone remembers involving Dublin was the one we dished out to ye above in Healy Park that left ye lookin fair sheepish!!

......oh, and ye boys arent culchies yer 'nordies'!!

As for the rest of it, well, the first time anyone in tyrone ever had a day out was when they realised they had invented the GAA in 2003!!.....cos they never knew it existed before then, and were 'flash in the pan' merchants for a few years and now gone again!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael


OOOHHHH that was an easy catch, i ldo love fishing on a Wednesday afternoon.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 18/01/2012 16:55:42    1096091

cacsmckilly, hope ol snuf isn't too thickskinned to cook!

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3028 - 18/01/2012 18:38:12    1096157

Managers should get covered well by expenses, same as players get. Expenses should be designed to cover any time spent as well.. only fair really particularly if for a different county.

81DLSAM (Donegal) - Posts: 281 - 19/01/2012 10:55:23    1096417