Those victoies in 04,06 and 07 were against teams who were always considered to have a mental block against Kerry in All-Ireland finals i.e. Mayo & Cork. Cork cannot beat Kerry in Croke Park and well Mayo share the same story. Dublin are the only other team who have matched Kerry in an All-Ireland final apart from Tyrone & Armagh in the last 10 years.

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 790 - 15/01/2012 18:55:08    1094007

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Those victoies in 04,06 and 07 were against teams who were always considered to have a mental block against Kerry in All-Ireland finals i.e. Mayo & Cork. Cork cannot beat Kerry in Croke Park and well Mayo share the same story. Dublin are the only other team who have matched Kerry in an All-Ireland final apart from Tyrone & Armagh in the last 10 years.

What mental block had Mayo going into 04? Kerry beat them in 97 before that it was 1932. Mayo won the 96 semi. Mayo had good reason to be confident. They'd beaten the champions already and a Fermanagh side that put Armagh out. Kerry were going into the final following a 3 years of bad beatings. All the mental pressure was on Kerry.
It was 06 where the mental block surfaced.
07 was probably the biggest final Kerry has played. 120 years of Kerry tradition would have meant nothing if Cork won the first final especially with Billy Morgan at them helm
It's easy to disregard those finals in hindsight but it was a totally different story at throw in

Sure you may as well say 05 and 08 were soft All Irelands for Tyrone cos Kerry had a mental block against them

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 15/01/2012 19:21:44    1094033

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Whats to explain?They played really bad in the final (well,from the tenth minute on anyway)

And there was I thinking Kerry had won a battle against the favourites that hammered them in the Munster Final, are regarded as one of the biggest teams ever and would win the 2010 final.

I take it Galway's 2001 win is meaningless to you then.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 15/01/2012 19:27:23    1094040

I take it you didnt read my original post properly.I never said their victories were meaningless,I just said that they were very easily won.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 15/01/2012 19:32:59    1094044

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Kerry are the standard bearers and always will be; the bar for the rest to reach. They threw last year's All Ireland away, they were the far better team for 65 mins but once again this Kerry team's mental toughness has to be questioned. When the pressure was on they buckled as they did against Tyrone on 3 occasions and that's why this particular Kerry team can never be deemed great. However they play some superb football and Cooper is one of the best there has been.

I can't agree with you that they buckled against Dublin. Kerry levelled the match at the end of normal time with a huge pressure kick from Donaghy. They didn't have time for a second equaliser. Had they another minute do you doubt they couldn't have done the same?

Kerry were beaten fair and square in two finals by Tyrone. There's no big psychological insight required. Better team won. Simple.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 15/01/2012 19:35:16    1094046

i think kerry got over the tyrone losses quicker than people think. i dont know if it was mental or not they couldnt beat them its just what happened on the day but you have to give it to them they came back and won every time after those losses. the way you say it
"the road" all they have to do is show up to croke park in september and beat cork or mayo its not that easy. ask dublin how easy it was to finally win it with all those two a day training sessions to get to the top.

chicago09 (Kerry) - Posts: 694 - 15/01/2012 20:04:48    1094066

Once again i am misquoted.I didnt say that all Kerry had to do was show up.I said that in 04,06,07 and 09 the opposition played really badly in the finals (when I said glorified walkovers,I obviously didnt literally mean walkovers).

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 15/01/2012 20:10:17    1094071

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Once again i am misquoted.I didnt say that all Kerry had to do was show up.I said that in 04,06,07 and 09 the opposition played really badly in the finals (when I said glorified walkovers,I obviously didnt literally mean walkovers).

Kilkenny did the same to Waterford in the 08 final and no one called it a soft All Ireland it was the greatest team display in an All Ireland final! Why is it when Kerry do the same its a soft All Ireland?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 15/01/2012 20:33:35    1094111

Jeez moomoo Ive lost count of the amount of times ive heard people say that Kilkenny won all Irelands with virtually no challengers to them.I certainly agree that if Kerrys victories were soft,then the same could definitely be said for most of Kilkennys.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 15/01/2012 20:39:58    1094123

The Road, I don't understand what your point is about those finals.
You're inferring that it was all down to the opposition losing the finals and not Kerry winning them therefore they are inferior.
Had Kerry no input in the opposition playing badly?

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 15/01/2012 20:46:03    1094134

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Jeez moomoo Ive lost count of the amount of times ive heard people say that Kilkenny won all Irelands with virtually no challengers to them.I certainly agree that if Kerrys victories were soft,then the same could definitely be said for most of Kilkennys.

I was asking that question in general really. Its just seems when it happens in hurlings its a great display but when it happens in football its just the other team are no good

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 15/01/2012 20:50:57    1094139

I never siad that kery didnt have an input either superglue.Of course they did. Kerry were brilliant in those finals,but with the way Cork and especially Mayo played those days,I would have fancied most teams to have beaten them.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 15/01/2012 20:58:16    1094149

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The dogs in the streets know the mayo cork all irelands for kerry were nothing games over before they started.The big thing about kerry and its been proven for a decade by the big teams let them know your there dara or tomas threw no weight around tyrone or armagh after 10 mins they said jays lads this is not tipp or limerick here and folded.Kerry no longer command respect from the better teams.

mickeylinden (Monaghan) - Posts: 587 - 15/01/2012 21:17:37    1094164

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I never siad that kery didnt have an input either superglue.Of course they did. Kerry were brilliant in those finals,but with the way Cork and especially Mayo played those days,I would have fancied most teams to have beaten them.

If Kerry were brilliant in those finals then I still don't understand your point about them?
Does an asterix go beside those years to say 'Kerry were brilliant but unfortunately the opposition weren't great on the day. Pity'?
Should we hope that we don't win this year by more than 2 points in case it's tainted yet again?

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 15/01/2012 21:23:59    1094171

Kerry actually beat Armagh twice in the last decade (2000 and 2006)and one thing I will say Mickey,over the last decade Tyrone were beaten by Meath,Laois and Mayo,while Armagh were beaten by Wexford and Fermanagh.Kerry only ever lost to the great teams,and while they were getting to finals in 04,05 and 07 Tyrone were at home resting.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 15/01/2012 21:28:04    1094176

Make that 04,06 and 07

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 15/01/2012 21:30:10    1094177

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Superglue
The dogs in the streets know the mayo cork all irelands for kerry were nothing games over before they started.The big thing about kerry and its been proven for a decade by the big teams let them know your there dara or tomas threw no weight around tyrone or armagh after 10 mins they said jays lads this is not tipp or limerick here and folded.Kerry no longer command respect from the better teams.

2000-2010 Outside Tyrone give me the list of the big teams Kerry haven't beat?

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 15/01/2012 21:32:24    1094178

Tyrone also lost to Sligo in 2002 but of course we all know the GAA didn't really start till 2003 so i suppose that doesn't count

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 15/01/2012 21:32:58    1094179

Oh dear Tyrone are still getting to Kerry and they say they have got over it? Aye right!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 15/01/2012 21:36:54    1094181

I begrudge them....bigtime!

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 15/01/2012 21:44:56    1094189