Is anyone suggesting there are any untruths? It is clear to me Louth Gael (and many other contributors) is pointing out the lack of balance in the Indo and RTE when covering GAA.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 06/02/2012 15:07:50    1106596

As soon as the GAA gets its house in order on this front, the criticism will stop. Look at rugby - referee is the boss, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YUF9LSXAkY, (referee Nigel Owens lays down the law) decisions are accepted and moved on from.
If the referee decision which cost Ireland the game yesterday had happened in GAA, there would have been head-the-balls running onto the field to give the referee a slap, rugby players and supporters (even though infuriated with the decision as we were) accepted the decision.
The sooner the GAA starts laying down the law to players, officials and supporters alike, the better the games will be for it.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 06/02/2012 15:12:44    1106602

You need to read my post more carefully "Is anyone suggesting there are any untruths?" As regard the second half of your post are you suggesting that every time a referee makes a decision the spectators disagree with there is to quote you " head-the-balls running onto the field to give the referee a slap"? because that is exactly the image the Indo and RTE are trying to create (successfully it appears in your case). I played Gaelic football for 15 years and in all that time there was only one fight (which consisted of a few punches thrown between two players.) In m y opinion if a GAA the game finished exactly as did yesterdays international the sports reporters in our national media would have focused on the unsportsman like booing that ensued for some considerable time after the refs decision.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 06/02/2012 16:05:37    1106669

Last week on the Late late show RTE showed a clip of the fight in Portlaoise while interviewing Eamon Dunphy about the state of the Irish economy. They week Primetime is discussing Payment to managers yet the add for this programme shows the same fight again, while their radio add for the same programme about payment to managers claims the GAAs image have taking a bashing in recent weeks. What has the fight in the Junior semi final got to do with managers being payed? It seems RTE will jump at any chance they can get to show that footage and then claim that the GAA has taken a bashing as if they are not the one giving it.

Louth Gael (Louth) - Posts: 1227 - 09/02/2012 12:01:30    1108394

I just want to see see what type of headlines the papers will come out with on Monday morning particulary the Sindo.
As for the Red tops I just dont look at the Anti GAA tripe that these papers print.
I am sure that other violent incindents in other sports will get little mention.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4044 - 12/02/2012 19:39:20    1110210

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I just want to see see what type of headlines the papers will come out with on Monday morning particulary the Sindo.
As for the Red tops I just dont look at the Anti GAA tripe that these papers print.
I am sure that other violent incindents in other sports will get little mention.

The Sindo on a monday morning?

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 12/02/2012 19:44:45    1110219

Actually the red tops have better coverage of GAA than the indo or the times their reporters research the teams playing and report facts.

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 12/02/2012 19:55:25    1110241

I have just read bits of this thread; I notice plenty of misreprenentation

For example the words "Boyne RFC are satisfied that the Highfield player cited did not contribute in any way to the serious eye injury suffered by its player"
were stated to have been an exhonaration of all 15 Highfield players when its pointendly noting of the sort.

Could it be, that if insurance does not pay out for proven foul play but does pay out for accidental injuries, a good reason Boyne dropped the case ????

Lat Rugby match I was at, a local one, a group comprising officials and hangers on, moved up & down the sideline in line with play, bellowing like bulls, at the opposition and the ref. So much for the socalled respect for their Refs. Having played a bit of rugby, back in the 70's and seen the respect there was then, I was appaled at my latest viewing and have not gone back in the last 3 years. Now the local media so fond of reporting GAA misdemours, never said a word about the yobbish behavior, in their so called independant report on that game.

So yes I agree at least some of the media are two faced, one for GAA and a very different one for Rugby.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 12/02/2012 20:03:57    1110256

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1110256 I have just read bits of this thread; I notice plenty of misreprenentation

For example the words "Boyne RFC are satisfied that the Highfield player cited did not contribute in any way to the serious eye injury suffered by its player"
were stated to have been an exhonaration of all 15 Highfield players when its pointendly noting of the sort.

Could it be, that if insurance does not pay out for proven foul play but does pay out for accidental injuries, a good reason Boyne dropped the case ????

Lat Rugby match I was at, a local one, a group comprising officials and hangers on, moved up & down the sideline in line with play, bellowing like bulls, at the opposition and the ref. So much for the socalled respect for their Refs. Having played a bit of rugby, back in the 70's and seen the respect there was then, I was appaled at my latest viewing and have not gone back in the last 3 years. Now the local media so fond of reporting GAA misdemours, never said a word about the yobbish behavior, in their so called independant report on that game.

So yes I agree at least some of the media are two faced, one for GAA and a very different one for Rugby.

Insurance does pay out on foul play. No Highfield player was found guilty of causing any injury to the unfortunate Boyne player as Highfield provided video proof at an IRFU enquiry that none of their players could have caused the injury
Yes, some people at rugby games shout like mad etc at refs, but their is in general better respect paid towards refs than other sports

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/02/2012 20:16:11    1110277

I fully agree with your summary of this matter, and i will add that the Gaa which is a great social server in rural regions probally does nor attract the same type of personell to its ranks as do other sports.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4044 - 13/02/2012 12:34:40    1110608

Re Ormondbanner Why do you persist with the statement "Highfield provided video proof at an IRFU enquiry that none of their players could have caused the injury" The IRFU enquiry was looking at the player who was cited that is what the enquiry was about The video "proof" led the IRFU to say the evidence was quote "inconclusive" i.e inconclusive about that player causing the injury (indeed using the word inconclusive is hardly a ringing endorsement). It did not exhonerate the entire Highfield team. Gouging is a very specific injury where the opposing player sticks his thumb or finger deliberately into the players eye. It is very different to getting a punch or kick to the head. The injured player accused the cited player of gouging so one must assume that if the cited player was not guilty, the blame must lie with a teammate.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 13/02/2012 17:31:08    1110961

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1110961 Re Ormondbanner Why do you persist with the statement "Highfield provided video proof at an IRFU enquiry that none of their players could have caused the injury" The IRFU enquiry was looking at the player who was cited that is what the enquiry was about The video "proof" led the IRFU to say the evidence was quote "inconclusive" i.e inconclusive about that player causing the injury (indeed using the word inconclusive is hardly a ringing endorsement). It did not exhonerate the entire Highfield team. Gouging is a very specific injury where the opposing player sticks his thumb or finger deliberately into the players eye. It is very different to getting a punch or kick to the head. The injured player accused the cited player of gouging so one must assume that if the cited player was not guilty, the blame must lie with a teammate.

It was proven by Highfield that none of their players caused the unfortunate injury to the Boyne player. Why are you persisting with this argument to have a go at rugby?
A Highfield player was cited by Boyne after the match but, having studied video evidence which was provided by Highfield at an IRFU hearing, the Drogheda club decided against pursuing any complaint. The Highfield player in question was told he had no case to answer and none of his team mates had anything to answer to either.

The case is closed, hopefully the injured player can recover some degree but stop bringing up this incident to have a go at rugby. If you wish to discuss this incident some more i will happily give you my email address and we can discuss it via email rather than clogging up the forum

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2012 18:01:27    1110992

I think we can currently see media manipulation/bias at its best dealing with the recommended ban on drink firms sponsoring sport. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0128/1224310869179.html .It is part of the National Substance Misuse Strategy, 2009 -2016. Of course we all know the sport which would be most heavily hit with the Heineken Cup etc. The big guns have been wheeled into action and we had articles on Saturdays Indo and Sundays Indo already criticising this recommendation. I believe the Frontline programme tonight will also deal with this topic and I will predict in advance the argument and the panel will be heavily loaded against the ban. We will hear loads of talk about nanny state etc. and how drink sponsorship is good for sport. This is why an independent voice like Hoganstand is so important.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 13/02/2012 18:18:46    1111012

Re Ormondbannerman I am using the IRFU report!!! how is that getting at rugby? 1) It uses the term the evidence is "inconclusive" 2) Nowhere in that (IRFU) report does it exhonerate the entire team. If they wished to clear the other team I'm sure the report would have stated that very important fact. Don't you think?

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 13/02/2012 18:29:37    1111027

Its now pretty obvious that ormondbannerman has a mantra that Rugby is good and GAA is bad and is sticking to it despite any evidence to the contrary.

Its part of that bull-headed Rugby snobishness that I experienced such as the comment from an opponent after we, a novice team had lost--- "come back when you learn how to play rugby and we'll give you a game" in his best Oxbridge accent.
Now when 3 months later we hammered them in the first round of the cup ( which we went on to win) he slunk off before I had the chance to shake his hand !!!!!

Yes very sporting when winning he was although he was in a minority, most were very sporting after games.

Just like GAA, Rugby has its ars...les not that Ormandbanner man will admit same. and we had a few good dust-ups on the oval ball field !!!!!

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 13/02/2012 18:52:12    1111048

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1111027 Re Ormondbannerman I am using the IRFU report!!! how is that getting at rugby? 1) It uses the term the evidence is "inconclusive" 2) Nowhere in that (IRFU) report does it exhonerate the entire team. If they wished to clear the other team I'm sure the report would have stated that very important fact. Don't you think?
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1111048 Its now pretty obvious that ormondbannerman has a mantra that Rugby is good and GAA is bad and is sticking to it despite any evidence to the contrary.

Its part of that bull-headed Rugby snobishness that I experienced such as the comment from an opponent after we, a novice team had lost--- "come back when you learn how to play rugby and we'll give you a game" in his best Oxbridge accent.
Now when 3 months later we hammered them in the first round of the cup ( which we went on to win) he slunk off before I had the chance to shake his hand !!!!!

Yes very sporting when winning he was although he was in a minority, most were very sporting after games.

Just like GAA, Rugby has its ars...les not that Ormandbanner man will admit same. and we had a few good dust-ups on the oval ball field !!!!!

KELF, im a big GAA fan as are all my family. My brother has played at u16 and u17 level in football for tipp and would have been close to last years minors and this years minors had he not been fully intent on making the munster u18 rugby team which he ultimately was screwed out of a position

Rugby does has scraps and bust ups, but rarely if ever there is big press groups at many of our games like there is for most GAA club games. For example there was a good few scraps at a game in Nenagh yesterday as much as anything that happened in any of the scraps that have made the headlines from GAA games

The report exonerated the entire team as there was not enough evidence to prove any highfield player did anything, http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/boyne-sorry-for-wrongful-citing-in-gouging-case-181709.html

KELF you talk of "bull-headed Rugby snobishness" well your attitude towards rugby stinks of you thinking your better than me because i play rugby. The person you described could also be a GAA player or player of any sport

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/02/2012 19:30:10    1111081

once again newspapers after the weekend only comment on the argy bargy in clones between monaghan and kildare,yet there headlines on rugby are all about irelands match not being on,mayo v dublin was also called off but got no coverage what so ever in the same regard,we also had armagh beat kerry in tralee but nothing on that being a big turn up for the books instead the one bad incident in possibly 25 matches played on a national scale over the weekend is the only one they will cover

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/02/2012 19:44:14    1111095

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1111095 once again newspapers after the weekend only comment on the argy bargy in clones between monaghan and kildare,yet there headlines on rugby are all about irelands match not being on,mayo v dublin was also called off but got no coverage what so ever in the same regard

Do you honestly think these 2 games are of the same magnitude on a news level?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 13/02/2012 20:13:30    1111127

Was listening to matches on radio 1 yesterday and for fun on the hour over the next two hours changed to most of other stations for sport news (didnt get to them all).they only gave soccer and rugby scorelines and updates. Couldnt help wondering if i was talking to someone not from ireland and i was explaining that gaa gets the highest attendances for sport in ireland and then had to explain that although their was 4 divisions of football on that day you cant get any scorelines unless u tune into radio 1 , they would probably think i was joking and that it was a minority sport in ireland.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 13/02/2012 20:55:56    1111173

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1111095 once again newspapers after the weekend only comment on the argy bargy in clones between monaghan and kildare,yet there headlines on rugby are all about irelands match not being on,mayo v dublin was also called off but got no coverage what so ever in the same regard

Do you honestly think these 2 games are of the same magnitude on a news level?

am yes i do why wouldnt they be? dublin pull in more viewers then the rugby teams so i dont see why if both games were abandoned that they dont update when both games were to be replayed i guarantee if there was big fight in castlebar instead of fog it would certainly have got more coverage theh the rugby

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 14/02/2012 18:15:05    1111670