clondalkindub
It depends what criterion is used to evaluate whether Dublin is soccer or Gaelic first. If it is judged by yearly attendances at each sport then Dublin's attendances at league and championship games would have a combined total far in access of any Dublin Eircom league team and probably in excess of all Dublin soccer teams put together.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3070 - 22/12/2011 19:48:47    1087247

apologies ffgg, for reading your post incorectly.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3070 - 22/12/2011 19:50:29    1087248

Lily white Dublin games in the summer are days out, it's an event and our bandwagon supporters come out in there thousands. I reckon Dublin have around 15 thousand hardcore supporters the rest just love the day out

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/12/2011 20:21:22    1087253

I agree with 95% of what you said hill16no1man, especially regarding the media but I dont agree with you when you say that GAA is bigger than soccer in Dublin. If you were to ask young Dubs who they would prefer to meat, Alan Brogan or Wayne Rooney, I reckon they would go with Rooney and like yourself I blame the media. I think a lot of people in Ireland have an inferiority complex about things Irish. They dont support Irish soccer becuase they think it sh#te so they go with English soccer. They dont watch Irish soaps cbecuase they think they are sh#te so they watch English soaps. They dont listen to Irish music because they think its sh#te so they listen to American/English music etc, they dont like their language etc...

The GAA have a great oppotunity now to promote their games in Dublin following the success of their hurlers and footballers. I hope they dont miss this chance. I hope the banwagon come out in force starting with the Blue Stars on the 27th. Nothing more would please me than full atendances at all the Dubs league football games.

I'm starting to rant now. Ta brón orm!!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/12/2011 10:11:45    1087300

Long live the bandwagon. No county has problems filling stadia when teams are doing well. Its not just the Dubs. Neither Clones, Casement Park nor Páirc Uí Chaoimh were full for football matches last summer as far as I remmeber yet the teams that play there never have any problems filling Pairc an Chrócaigh in September!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/12/2011 10:17:22    1087301

clondalkindub
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Hill I don't want to start this again, but Dublin is a soccer county then Gaelic football.

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ffgg
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how is dublin a soccer county please tell me,how many turn up to watch shels bohs rovers and pats at home matches they get about 2 thousand maximum each which is 8 thousand the irish soccer team have yet to fill the aviva stadium once since it was upgraded with the majority of their matches at home having had 25-30 thousand only.dublin footballers have a much bigger fanbase and that was during a period of 16 years without even making the major final of their competitions look how many tune in to watch dublins matches on tv also tg4 highest viewings were for the 2 league finals involving the footballers and the hurlers of dublin.rtes highest sports viewings were for dublins all ireland final,look at dublin as a whole on a match day the city is a wash with blue and navy do not tell me bohs rovers shels or pats even the irish soccer team have that same level of colour when they are playing because its not there.if anything gaa is geting stronger all the time in dublin the success of the hurlers this year is proven by what has been done in the club scene some of the strongest hurling clubs in dublin recently are now in areas that would not have been gaa strong holds such as ballyboden lucan and kilmacud and those 3 clubs also have had success in football.the northside of dublin is and always will be a gaa stronghold.the only thing that puts it into your head is the media elemant and even that is not conclusive as the media promotes foreign osccer better then our own soccer so how you can say soccer is the number one sport in dublin is beyond me

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/12/2011 12:00:10    1087334

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I agree with 95% of what you said hill16no1man, especially regarding the media but I dont agree with you when you say that GAA is bigger than soccer in Dublin. If you were to ask young Dubs who they would prefer to meat, Alan Brogan or Wayne Rooney, I reckon they would go with Rooney and like yourself I blame the media. I think a lot of people in Ireland have an inferiority complex about things Irish. They dont support Irish soccer becuase they think it sh#te so they go with English soccer. They dont watch Irish soaps cbecuase they think they are sh#te so they watch English soaps. They dont listen to Irish music because they think its sh#te so they listen to American/English music etc, they dont like their language etc...

The GAA have a great oppotunity now to promote their games in Dublin following the success of their hurlers and footballers. I hope they dont miss this chance. I hope the banwagon come out in force starting with the Blue Stars on the 27th. Nothing more would please me than full atendances at all the Dubs league football games.

I'm starting to rant now. Ta brón orm!!

yes the points about people beliveing english things are better is true and you nailed it because of the media but what else do you expect when the media in ireland is 90% british thats why kids grow up thinking this because its all thats advertised and thrown in their faces but then when you become an adult you realise this and thats where i believe in judging what a number 1 sport is it is far more accurate to judge by 3 ways
1 attendances.
2 participation
3 viewings
and gaelic football would be higher in this regard as these are actualy people who are getting invloved in the sports and not people who are asked an opinion while they are doing their christmas shopping on some street which this survey is portraying in this thread.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/12/2011 12:10:23    1087337

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Lily white Dublin games in the summer are days out, it's an event and our bandwagon supporters come out in there thousands. I reckon Dublin have around 15 thousand hardcore supporters the rest just love the day out

its amazing how you say our bandwagon supporters come out in the summer when we had an average of 32 thousand for the 4 home games in the spring series and the 2 league finals in both football and hurling compare that with the 4 main soccer clubs in dublin bohs rovers pats and shels(i am not ven going to mention ucd as you can add the 50 or 60 they get if you want) which is about 8 thousand altogether and then when shels made the fai cup final the attendance was 36 thousand you telling me that doesnt prove them to be bandwagon supporters.
dublin championship attendaces over the last decade have been consistently testing croke parks capacity so if its a case of been bandwagoners year in year out i think thats called supporters in my book as bandwagoners are ones who come out when your winning

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/12/2011 12:24:01    1087345

Forget about loi , the English league is what all dubs follow. There's planes and boat loads of dubs going over to England every weekend to see a match, I've seen that with my own eyes. Only for the Culchies that have moved up to Dublin over the last century we would be lucky to have a Dublin team playing gaa. All working class areas of Dublin are more into soccer than gaa and there is more working class in Dublin than middle class. Look how crazy Dublin goes when Ireland are in a world cup, pubs packed out the door everywhere painted green white and gold, every job closes its mental.come on you've been on the hill when half the dubs don't know what's going on on the pitch.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/12/2011 12:50:33    1087354

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Forget about loi , the English league is what all dubs follow. There's planes and boat loads of dubs going over to England every weekend to see a match, I've seen that with my own eyes. Only for the Culchies that have moved up to Dublin over the last century we would be lucky to have a Dublin team playing gaa. All working class areas of Dublin are more into soccer than gaa and there is more working class in Dublin than middle class. Look how crazy Dublin goes when Ireland are in a world cup, pubs packed out the door everywhere painted green white and gold, every job closes its mental.come on you've been on the hill when half the dubs don't know what's going on on the pitch.

you are a prime example clondalkin of how the media has brainwashed people how can you say soccer is more poular in dublin when your opening line reads
Forget about loi , are you serious irish soccer is the league of ireland,because a few hundred catch a boat to england to watch a match that is not in ireland that makes soccer the biggest sport in dublin and once every 12 years ireland soccer team actualy qualifies to get into a tournament that means its the biggest sport because people go to the pub to drink and watch it are you serious like.what about all their qualifying matches where were these brilliant and loyal supporters who sit drinking in a pub?haha are you for real with the statement on working class take all sectors gaa is much more spread across the whole of dublin not just in 1 area,the whole country has pubs packed when they get into it for the same reason its a novelty not just dublin and you think half of dublin knows who any of these english born english living not good enough to play for england so come and get a game for ireland players are on the pitch,look how crazy dublin goes when dublin are in the championship when dublin won the all ireland this year look at how the city came to a stand still for the week after.you go to any sport you will have an elemant of people who dont know much about the game but dublin have abigger support then other counties so that generally means you will have a larger section but we also have a lot more people who know eat live and breed dublin football on hill16 and go to all the matches your not quick to acknowledege that.
are you even from dublin why do you think oly for culchies we wouldnt have a dublin team where on earth did you get that from we have a population of 1 million so every gaa person in that population has to have been a culchie and its all those culchies that live in dublin over the last century that have turned out in thousands to support dublin too is it.i think you need to turn off sky sports news for a few hours and take abus from clondalkin into dublin city and find out the real dublin.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/12/2011 14:21:29    1087374

I actually agree with culann about the inferiority complex thing.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 23/12/2011 16:05:53    1087396

Whats the arguement here, which sport is played more or watched more in Dublin(gaa or soccer) if question is played more then its gaa ,if its watched more when you include all the people who never kicked a ball in their life watching premiership on bar stools added to gaa people who also like to watch premiership and people who go to see Loi then its soccer. On the dublin minor hurling team that lost to galway this year not one of the first 20 were from the strong hurling clubs of o tooles,faughs,crumlin, st vincents or craobh ciarain which shows how it is growing in the suburbs. its the kids coming through which the gaa are getting from what i see certainly in dublin that matters for the future, not the blokes who dont play football anyway and go abroad to watch matches and were probably a good percentage of people who took part in the survey. CLONDALKIN you make it sound like only country people play gaa in dublin in a minority and the vast majority are working class dubs who play soccer or go to england at the weekend to watch the premiership. Maybe you should go down to a gaa club and watch the volume of under age teams on the go getting ready for the future and then you MIGHT GET A SENSE OF DUBLIN.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/12/2011 17:00:25    1087404

i suppose that the introduction has had mixed benefits for the GAA, we have more games, but the romance has left both hurling and football.
grudge matches in all provinces have less appeal for the neutrals now, coupled with drink-driving, prices etc we used to go to as many championship games outside the province for the atmosphere and experience, but not now.

In short, significance and success is huge in any sport to pull the crowds. i think the qualifiers have made GAA matches less significant,poorer to watch, that and fistpassing, 3 man tackles, and over-refereeing, especially the over-refereeing. (I miss the fights...)

dachubba (Cavan) - Posts: 74 - 27/12/2011 20:41:10    1087452

Think today its harder to define becuase many people 'cross over' when it comes to sport, more so than years before.

But the GAA is very much holding its own in Dublin and growing, still lots of work to be done. In Dublin you would have more soccer clubs becuase they field less teams than GAA clubs so it all balances out.

Rugby has a narrower more concentated support so may show up better but even many going to Leinster rugby matches are GAA lads, becuase once you follow sports you go to matches of all sorts

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 28/12/2011 09:44:51    1087472

Ok first of all I'm a pure dub my mothers side our inner city people and when I was a kid in there people would laugh at me for Playing gaa secondly I'm an active member Of my gaa club so athcliath what are you on about? Look at the Dublin team nearly all there backgrounds are country, working class dubliners are into scoccer more than gaa , to me and it's just my opinion Dublin people prefer scoccer tO gaa.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/12/2011 14:33:29    1087894

clondalkindub
Fair enough your entitled to your opinion, but can you define for me working class dubs that you talk about. A huge percentage of dubs have parents or relations from the country in every sport not just gaa, thats just the way it is.Every capital city in the world is the same because people moved into the city from rural areas because of work over many decades.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 03/01/2012 15:06:46    1088119

Clondalkin Dub, up to 60,000 Dubs come out to watch the Dubs in the summer while the Aviva hasn't been filled by soccer supporters in Ireland yet. That says it all.

Regarding English soccer it is not Irish. I remember been in the Breafy House Hotel last year and I heard an English lad asking the barman why Irish people call the likes of Liverpool and Mancheatsre United 'we' and 'our'. He was saying that he couldn't understand it. I think Irish people, when doing surveys like this, have to understand that English soccer is just that - English soccer (and not Irish).

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 04/01/2012 15:53:05    1088534

culann has it spot on

clondalkindub because a few of the current panel have country parents means all dublin gaa people are country blow ins bit of a stupid statement.
im sure there are plenty of guys playing in countys aound the country who have parents from differant countys also that means nothing

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/01/2012 17:08:50    1088607

have to say i agree with hill16no1man, if you were a tourist and you came to ireland/dublin and picked up the irish times and read the sports section depending on the time of the year you might not even realize gaelic games exist. there was not one edition of the paper this year that featured no rugby news but i have seen it without GAA news. they should be ashamed the paper is run by west brits who only really support english soccer and rugby.

i don't like soccer at all but they should be giving more of the pages for the premier league for the airtricity league and far more space for football and hurling our 2 national sports. sick of seeing jerry tormleys head on the front page of the irish times especially during the summer.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 04/01/2012 17:25:01    1088617

60,000 dubs culann? Which game was that?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 04/01/2012 17:27:31    1088621