29/02/2012 17:04:27
TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 870

1119906 And lets not forget that when ballboy was on this forum slagging off the Gaa and joking about Gaa clubs closing Ormond never criticised him.

Because i never looked at any of his posts as 90% of the time what he posted was untrue, not practical or was a clear wind up to wind some of ye up

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 17:12:06    1119923

29/02/2012 16:39:20
Tom1916
County: Armagh
Posts: 1272

1119869 Real Kerry Fan
County: All
Posts: 2590

1119648 know thats a given considering the site we are on discussing the issue but their is some incredibly childish posts here. This forum is quite good but their is no need for the constant abuse of other sports or its followers. like ive said before you dont see the GAA getting the sort of abuse on irish rugby forums that rugby gets here

How many rugby sites have threads for other sports?

There are a couple and they are littered with oikish jibes about the GAA (sorry dragball or bogball as they call it), tarquin, quintin and the goys are having a right laugh at the GAA on these sites but unlike certain people from Clare you don't see me on there ridiculing them.

Do you have proof that these fora are as you say "littered" with jibes about the GAA. Im a member of most rugby forums and ive rarely seen GAA being called bogball or whatever. Il admit that hurling and football have been called big ball etc but nowhere near the amount of times rugby has been called posh persons sport only etc like here on this site
I have never ridiculed the GAA on this site, ive posted constructive comments on issues that have interested me, and defended rugby to the hilt against untrue accusations

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 17:17:25    1119927

But that could be said of alot of anti rugby posts here ormond and yet you respond to them.Im not blaming you by the wayI know how annoying it is to have the games I love slagged off.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/02/2012 17:34:48    1119943

Sorry I haven't been around in a few days, I see the case continues...

fffg, I never said rugby was more skilful then soccer or GAA, I simply said it requires skill, you see players kicking an oval ball inside a 5 metre line, you see them kicking it from the ground between posts from huge distances in high winds, you see magnificent footwork in the scoring of a try so there's no doubt in my mind that it is a skilful game. I'll happily concede that either that GAA, particularly hurling requires more skill than rugby, but that doesn't decide which is the favoured sport for an individual

Roadie, I can see why you've perceived my previous posts as you have, but I'm not against people who don't like rugby, I just don't like it when people diss it in order to promote the other. As for 'humourous', I do find it bemusing how anyone can be so offended by someone not liking GAA or preferring another sport, as you've said before, there should pride in our national sport of GAA, definitely, but that does not oblige someone to like it above all else

As for Hillman, it's not just rugby, it's anti-everything with you in my book, (I see you've already started another thread moaning about rugby), the debate we had about the Dublin-Kildare match is another example with you anti-anti. We all have posters on HS we like and don't like, you're in the latter for me, I'm sure the feeling's mutual, I will happily resign myself to the fact that you and I will never see eye to eye

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 29/02/2012 22:00:36    1120119

gigoer

i think your problem is that i make points you dont like brought up,thats what gets under your skin,i am in no way a wum and in no way lanti other sports at all.
i follow all irish sports but following british soccer teams and then hating the british national team and portraying to support irish soccer team when the same people would not go to an airtricity league match is frustrating to me.i attend gaa and horse racing all the time,i follow airtricity league and attend games, i watch rugby on tv,
i watch golf i am a big fan of darts and play it too

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/03/2012 10:50:54    1120204

ormond

its quite simple your not going to admit it in laymens terms but it is harder to make the kilkenny hurlers then connaught rugby team and your only point against this is that the connaught rugby team get paid so that means in your book also they are fitter then any poster on here also just because they get paid to train.
so you also think they are fitter then gaa players because they get paid to train by this way of thinking?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/03/2012 10:53:31    1120205

01/03/2012 10:53:31
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1496

1120205 ormond

its quite simple your not going to admit it in laymens terms but it is harder to make the kilkenny hurlers then connaught rugby team and your only point against this is that the connaught rugby team get paid so that means in your book also they are fitter then any poster on here also just because they get paid to train.
so you also think they are fitter then gaa players because they get paid to train by this way of thinking?

You see the academy lads in connacht doing 7 or 8 hours a day of training in summer and then 4-5 hours a day in the season just to be somewhere near physically ready to play pro rugby with connacht.
To make the connacht academy you have to be 1 of the best of several thousand underage rugby players in connacht and also compete with any players from other provinces or overseas that connacht have bought in. You then have to do 3+ years in the academy and you might make the connacht team while doing all that training.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/03/2012 11:05:33    1120212

ormond

you still think that all other sports dont have this same level of dedication to make it as a top player in each sport its not just rugby.
your idea of pro 12 being the be all and end all is madness most of them put out second string teams in that league its like in the gaa club leagues the best players(guys playing with the county team) generaly only play a couple of league matches and play the championship matches with their clubs.
there is no comparison in making the connaught team and the kilkenny hurlers there is far more competition to be on the kilkenny panel then the connaught rugby panel

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/03/2012 11:20:28    1120222

7 or 8 hours a day come off it would you ormond at that rate they would be no where near the physical shape they are in as they would be atheltic looking and not body builder shape,its simple if you did 7 or 8 hours a day fitness you would have to take in some amount of kcals to get to the size rugby players are it would be impossible as they would be burning off to much kcals doing that much training a day and when would they have time to take on the kcals in a day haha?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/03/2012 11:23:56    1120227

01/03/2012 11:23:56
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1499

1120227 7 or 8 hours a day come off it would you ormond at that rate they would be no where near the physical shape they are in as they would be atheltic looking and not body builder shape,its simple if you did 7 or 8 hours a day fitness you would have to take in some amount of kcals to get to the size rugby players are it would be impossible as they would be burning off to much kcals doing that much training a day and when would they have time to take on the kcals in a day haha?

They generally do a 2-3 hour session in morning and then break for lunch and rest and recuperate and then do another 2-3 hour session in the afternoon. Players would also do their own work after wards. That is where the hours are from. They dont do that every day but they do that regularly- they lower the amount they train 2 days or so before and after games
Where did i say 7-8 hours fitness???
I said 7-8 hours of training, which could be lineout/scrummaging practice, backline moves practice, cardio training, weight training. handling skills, video analysis.
Most players use supplements to build up their calorie intake to the required level

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/03/2012 11:34:12    1120232

Hillman, I'll take your word for that

By the way, to the best of my recollection, I never ever labelled you a WUM, so please don't imply that I did.

I simply find it difficult to respect your points of view in the manner that you express them, that's all I've ever said

Perhaps there will be some common ground between us at some stage

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 01/03/2012 11:56:23    1120253

look ormond gaa county teams are now basically professional so them teams are extremely hard to make...especially when compared with connacht who are one of the worst rugby teams in europe

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 01/03/2012 14:58:13    1120452

01/03/2012 14:58:13
ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 249

1120452 look ormond gaa county teams are now basically professional so them teams are extremely hard to make...especially when compared with connacht who are one of the worst rugby teams in europe

Making it with Connacht in rugby would be much more difficult than most, but not all, inter county teams. To be physically ready for pro rugby you have to do an incredibble amount of work that very few here would see from weight training, gym work to skills work to unit play(be they backs or forwards) to conditioning etc.
You cant be serious if you think its more difficult to make say louths footballers or tipperarys footballers or offalys hurlers than it is to make connachts rugby team

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/03/2012 16:50:52    1120577

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
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1120232
01/03/2012 11:23:56
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1499

1120227 7 or 8 hours a day come off it would you ormond at that rate they would be no where near the physical shape they are in as they would be atheltic looking and not body builder shape,its simple if you did 7 or 8 hours a day fitness you would have to take in some amount of kcals to get to the size rugby players are it would be impossible as they would be burning off to much kcals doing that much training a day and when would they have time to take on the kcals in a day haha?

They generally do a 2-3 hour session in morning and then break for lunch and rest and recuperate and then do another 2-3 hour session in the afternoon. Players would also do their own work after wards. That is where the hours are from. They dont do that every day but they do that regularly- they lower the amount they train 2 days or so before and after games
Where did i say 7-8 hours fitness???
I said 7-8 hours of training, which could be lineout/scrummaging practice, backline moves practice, cardio training, weight training. handling skills, video analysis.
Most players use supplements to build up their calorie intake to the required level

even with supplements you would not get the amount of calories into you to put on that much size when your doing exercise regardless of what type of training you do you burn energy so them guys would be in far more athletic build then overweight or body builder style builds that they have currently.
also how can you regard them as supremly fi athletes if they need supplements as supplements are a cop out for people not able to put on size.
the atheltic side of rugby is alost dead you must admit it look at a tape of the 90tys and see the differance for yourself those guys were alot more atheltic build and much fitter in terms of all round fitness, if your not abodybuilder or overweight in over half of the positions on a rugby team today you will not be considered,

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/03/2012 17:05:36    1120590

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 1129

1120577
01/03/2012 14:58:13
ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 249

1120452 look ormond gaa county teams are now basically professional so them teams are extremely hard to make...especially when compared with connacht who are one of the worst rugby teams in europe

Making it with Connacht in rugby would be much more difficult than most, but not all, inter county teams. To be physically ready for pro rugby you have to do an incredibble amount of work that very few here would see from weight training, gym work to skills work to unit play(be they backs or forwards) to conditioning etc.
You cant be serious if you think its more difficult to make say louths footballers or tipperarys footballers or offalys hurlers than it is to make connachts rugby team

you continue to sprout about the amount of time they put in to play for connaught and fine it is alot of time but its alot of time in the gym more then anything else which means you do not have to be talented to do,anybody can go to the gym and improve there physical size if you do the time and eat right it doesnt take any talent to do that,where as a gaa player has to be talented to make it on a county team the louth footballers would have far more talented athletes then the connaught rugby team so thats why i believe its harder to make that team

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/03/2012 17:10:52    1120599

why wouldn't they be ormond..a lot more people play football than rugby and rugby is a minority participation sport in this country compared to gaa and soccer..rugby is a sport you can pick up at a late age while football and especially hurling are sports you have to start at a very young age

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 01/03/2012 17:41:49    1120622

ormond you also must realise the difference between having to have a lot of skill which is needed to play football or hurling at an inter county level when compared with gym work which doesn't require any talent what so ever??..your saying here they are harder to make because they go to the gym a lot??

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 01/03/2012 17:43:46    1120624

01/03/2012 17:10:52
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1504

1120599 ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 1129

1120577
01/03/2012 14:58:13
ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 249

1120452 look ormond gaa county teams are now basically professional so them teams are extremely hard to make...especially when compared with connacht who are one of the worst rugby teams in europe

Making it with Connacht in rugby would be much more difficult than most, but not all, inter county teams. To be physically ready for pro rugby you have to do an incredibble amount of work that very few here would see from weight training, gym work to skills work to unit play(be they backs or forwards) to conditioning etc.
You cant be serious if you think its more difficult to make say louths footballers or tipperarys footballers or offalys hurlers than it is to make connachts rugby team

you continue to sprout about the amount of time they put in to play for connaught and fine it is alot of time but its alot of time in the gym more then anything else which means you do not have to be talented to do,anybody can go to the gym and improve there physical size if you do the time and eat right it doesnt take any talent to do that,where as a gaa player has to be talented to make it on a county team the louth footballers would have far more talented athletes then the connaught rugby team so thats why i believe its harder to make that team

Rugby is a physical game and is also a very skillful game and look at athletes like Gavin Duffy, Mike Mc Carthy, Tiarnan O Halloran all extremely talented footballers(and athletes) and theres many more besides and thats just connacht. Connacht is a much harder team to make, they have to combine a sheer physical force not needed in football with athleticism and dynamism
The way you wrote your last post would suggest you think most pro rugby players are gym monkeys which couldnt be further from the truth, i would guess its more the case with GAA players
I said they put in a good bit of work in the gym but they spend most of their time training

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/03/2012 17:51:40    1120634

It would be far more difficult to make KK hurling than most Rugby teams.

You have to fight your way first onto Under 13 Developement Pabel from thousands of youg KK club hurlers.

Then onto Under 14, 15, 17 17 & Minor. Then through JUnior, Intermediate & Under 21.

I have no doubt young Provincial rugby players do a lot during their year in Academy but the amout of skill work to make a top level hurling team would be massive and over many years.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 01/03/2012 18:08:28    1120651

rugby is nowhere near as skillful as football or hurling..the athleticism is also nowhere close to the same...you again ignore all reason and argue that rugby is more skillful when it is evidently not...how many players in rugby actually kick the ball?..connacht are a very poor team who had one good win against harlequins and only qualified for the heineken cup besides leinster won it...how is it possible to even suggest it is harder team to make than the majority of inter county teams??...do you think inter county footballers are not skillful and athletic?

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 01/03/2012 18:12:18    1120655