25/02/2012 13:56:36
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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1117504 ormondbannerman
County: Clare
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1117388
24/02/2012 21:08:42
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1482

1117360
gaelic football is the hardest game to make it in
rugby you can be overweight and have limited skill
soccer you dont have to be very fit to play(andy reid) or have strength(beam pole crouch)
hurling you dont have to be as fit as gaelic football as the sliotar travels faster and does the work for you

gaelic football has the 3 main components fitness skill and physicalty

Soccer and Rugby are harder to make it as their is an international context and while in GAA you generally competing against just the people from your county in rugby or soccer you are competing on a worldwide basis.
Only some positions in rugby are what you would consider "overweight" but you could hardly call any of them overweight, they are professional athletes and are fitter than any poster on this forum.
Front 5 forwards in general are the least skilled players and are known as "donkeys" but cant be considered overweight

Many of the pro soccer players run 12km a game, so your argument that you dont have to be very fit is nul.

ormond
you are competing 15 on 15 in gaa
11 on 11 in soccer
15 on 15 in rugby
it doesnt matter if your from differant countries or the same country
your idea of making it seems ina media context not on a sportsfield.
you are clearly wrong in terms if fitness im talking cardio fitness rugby players have severly dropped thee levels of this in the last decade
the emphasis is now firmly on physicalty and size thus carrying more mucle slowing down your ability to have higher energy levels and stamina levels and speed levels.i am a personal trainer so to make out that rugby players are fitter then any poster here is a very stupid remark as i can guarantee you i myself would be fitter not more physical but fitter in the atheltic context which it means.
yes soccer players are fitter then rugby players but you have large amounts of the game where you stroll around the pitch as it is not played at the same intensity as football thus showing you need far higher fitness,if they run 12k what do footballers run ?

My idea of "making it" is making the pro 12 team and playing regularly in that. Cardio fitness in rugby has actually increased the past few years and while size was very important 4 or 5 years ago its not as important any more and speed and the ability to play open flairy style of rugby is much more important. You say rugby players stroll around the pitch, that is rubbish. Rugby players even the props do a huge milage in games,

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/02/2012 20:26:51    1117654

who even started this debate,cant remember the last time the parish emptyed for an under 12 div 3 final in rugby.funny come to think dont even know if there is such a thing .how many under 12 rugby teams in your county?

setantameath (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 25/02/2012 20:27:32    1117655

25/02/2012 20:27:32
setantameath
County: Meath
Posts: 45

1117655 who even started this debate,cant remember the last time the parish emptyed for an under 12 div 3 final in rugby.funny come to think dont even know if there is such a thing .how many under 12 rugby teams in your county?

There hasnt been u12 leagues in rugby for nearly a decade at this stage as the officials in rugby realised years ago that developing players ans giving everyone nore time on the pitch is way more important than 11/12 year olds going around thinking they are world class cause they won an u12 cup. There is no competitive leagues/cups in rugby until u13 level

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/02/2012 20:32:57    1117662

Ormondbanner man

Silly to say that you dont watch ireland now that their not winning as mcuh, their a team representing your country, everyone should always support their national team even if they dont follow the sport the team is competing in for nationalism at the least.

I do watch Ireland a wee bit still. What I meant was that I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them. I was at the Mayo V Dublin game for the postponed French mathch. I hadn't intended to watch it, but had been on a winning roll there is a good chance I would have watched it. I didn't bother watch the Italian match the other day. Would you sit and watch Ireland play cricket, bowls or chess - for nationalism?? I certainly wouldn't!! I might be glad for them to hear they won on a news bulletin but I certainly wouldn't watch them!!

You are obviously very passionate about your rugby and good luck to you for that, and I don't think you are going to climb down on this one. So, lets just say we'll sit back and watch it all unfold!! By the way, I'd love to see the Irish rugby team to well. Its not that i'll be hoping they lose to prove a point. I just think that their best era is coming to a close and feel it could be a long time before they achieve the same success and produce the smae standard of players - and in the meantime think that a lot of people will fall off the bandwagon, something that has already happened to me and a lot of others who live beside me. I can see the proffessionalism destroy Leinster and Munster as pointed out above. Leinste had no support ten years ago and i'd fear for them if the success and the amount of local heroes were to dry up. Again, good luck to them.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 29/02/2012 11:27:36    1119532

ormond

so you believe its harder to make it onto the connaught and ulster rugby teams then it is to make it onto the dublin or kerry football teams or kilkenny or tipperary hurling teams?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/02/2012 11:35:08    1119534

29/02/2012 11:27:36
Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 113

1119532 Ormondbanner man

Silly to say that you dont watch ireland now that their not winning as mcuh, their a team representing your country, everyone should always support their national team even if they dont follow the sport the team is competing in for nationalism at the least.

I do watch Ireland a wee bit still. What I meant was that I wouldn't go out of my way to watch them. I was at the Mayo V Dublin game for the postponed French mathch. I hadn't intended to watch it, but had been on a winning roll there is a good chance I would have watched it. I didn't bother watch the Italian match the other day. Would you sit and watch Ireland play cricket, bowls or chess - for nationalism?? I certainly wouldn't!! I might be glad for them to hear they won on a news bulletin but I certainly wouldn't watch them!!

You are obviously very passionate about your rugby and good luck to you for that, and I don't think you are going to climb down on this one. So, lets just say we'll sit back and watch it all unfold!! By the way, I'd love to see the Irish rugby team to well. Its not that i'll be hoping they lose to prove a point. I just think that their best era is coming to a close and feel it could be a long time before they achieve the same success and produce the smae standard of players - and in the meantime think that a lot of people will fall off the bandwagon, something that has already happened to me and a lot of others who live beside me. I can see the proffessionalism destroy Leinster and Munster as pointed out above. Leinste had no support ten years ago and i'd fear for them if the success and the amount of local heroes were to dry up. Again, good luck to them.

I would sit down to watch ireland play cricket and many other sports but what i cant understand is the abuse rugby gets. Yes it is a rival sport to hurling and football but that doesnt mean you have to abuse its players and/or supporters because you dont like it. I dont think our best era is coming to a close at all, we may never see the likes of Brian O Driscoll again but he has been one of the top players the world has seen so noone in the world may reach his level again.
Lenster are producing a serious amount of very good players from the much derided schools cup system, and munster/connacht/ulster are all producing some very players, not to the same extent as leinster, but producing players up to pro standard nonetheless.
Rugby is increasing in popularity in playing numbers and casual supporters and the "bandwagon" as so many here love to refer to rugby is certainly not going away.
As ive mentioned multitude of times already, up to 95 when the european cup started provinces played 3 games a year except when a touring nation like australia/new zealand came over. from 95 to 01 provinces only had a minimum of about 9 games and the all ireland club league was the big rugby competition and club games involving shannon/garryowen/cork con.st marys college etc had crowds of up to 10000. Then in 2001 the celtic league started and as the likes of mick galwey, anthony foley, ronan o gara etc started playing more with the provinces and less with the clubs and the best players in munster were now playing regularly on the same team munster started pulling in the crowds

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 11:44:44    1119543

29/02/2012 11:35:08
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1490

1119534 ormond

so you believe its harder to make it onto the connaught and ulster rugby teams then it is to make it onto the dublin or kerry football teams or kilkenny or tipperary hurling teams?

Your point being?
considering rugby is a pro sport and to make it as a pro you have to be in 95% of cases involved in the system and be seen and identified as top class between the ages of 15-21 and then do many hundreds and thousands of hours to be ready as a pro athlete then yes i would say its more difficult to make it.
To make it with connacht mightnt be as hard as making it with ulster/leinster/munster but it is still much harder to make it as a pro athlete then to make an amatuer team.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 11:52:26    1119551

Ormondbannerman

I would sit down to watch ireland play cricket and many other sports but what i cant understand is the abuse rugby gets. Yes it is a rival sport to hurling and football but that doesnt mean you have to abuse its players and/or supporters because you dont like it.

Good luck to you if you would sit down and watch a cricket match. Personally I would prefer to watch paint dry.

I have not abused any rugby player or supporter, nor would I. If others have on this site or any other site I wouldn't take it personally. It takes all kind of people to make up this world. Grow a bit of skin - like the Irish rugby players who constantley get abused by George Hook!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 29/02/2012 11:59:54    1119559

29/02/2012 11:59:54
Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 119

1119559 Ormondbannerman

I would sit down to watch ireland play cricket and many other sports but what i cant understand is the abuse rugby gets. Yes it is a rival sport to hurling and football but that doesnt mean you have to abuse its players and/or supporters because you dont like it.

Good luck to you if you would sit down and watch a cricket match. Personally I would prefer to watch paint dry.

I have not abused any rugby player or supporter, nor would I. If others have on this site or any other site I wouldn't take it personally. It takes all kind of people to make up this world. Grow a bit of skin - like the Irish rugby players who constantley get abused by George Hook!

Test cricket is tedious but the 1 day and esp 20/20 cricket can be very exciting.
I can take some slagging, either at myself or rugby, but some of the stuff here that is posted about irishmen who have been amongst our most successfull in recent years is pathetic. Just because you dont like a sport doesnt mean you have to be a keyboard warrior and post up crap like rugby is a foreign sport, bla bla bla. If you go on to the main rugby fora in ireland you dont see posts like that about the GAA. Why do people here have to be different?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 12:10:05    1119566

Test cricket is tedious but the 1 day and esp 20/20 cricket can be very exciting.

I'll take your word for it Ormondbannerman!!

I can take some slagging, either at myself or rugby, but some of the stuff here that is posted about irishmen who have been amongst our most successfull in recent years is pathetic. Just because you dont like a sport doesnt mean you have to be a keyboard warrior and post up rubbish like rugby is a foreign sport, bla bla bla. If you go on to the main rugby fora in ireland you dont see posts like that about the GAA. Why do people here have to be different?

If everyone was the same life would be very boring! Don't tkae it so personally. Maybe those people are ust very young. That said, you have to expect a huge GAA bias on a GAA foram and when a thread is set up on a GAA foram that encourages people to compare the three biggest supporting organisations in Ireland you have to expect that people on the GAA foram are going to defend the GAA!

The simple answer to this thread regarding the popularity of Irish sport in Ireland is that the GAA has the biggest following, followed by Irish rugby and lagging behind in third place is Irish soccer. And by the way, I wish the other two sports organisations all the best. To me it is not a competition. I do not think that the IRFU nor the FAI are a threat to the GAA.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 29/02/2012 12:26:28    1119581

Reposted and clarified!!

Test cricket is tedious but the 1 day and esp 20/20 cricket can be very exciting.

I'll take your word for it Ormondbannerman!!

I can take some slagging, either at myself or rugby, but some of the stuff here that is posted about irishmen who have been amongst our most successfull in recent years is pathetic. Just because you dont like a sport doesnt mean you have to be a keyboard warrior and post up rubbish like rugby is a foreign sport, bla bla bla. If you go on to the main rugby fora in ireland you dont see posts like that about the GAA. Why do people here have to be different?

If everyone was the same life would be very boring! Don't tkae it so personally. Maybe those people are ust very young. That said, you have to expect a huge GAA bias on a GAA foram and when a thread is set up on a GAA foram that encourages people to compare the three biggest supporting organisations in Ireland you have to expect that people on the GAA foram are going to defend the GAA!

The simple answer to this thread regarding the popularity of Irish sport in Ireland is that the GAA has the biggest following, followed by Irish rugby and lagging behind in third place is Irish soccer. And by the way, I wish the other two sports organisations all the best. To me it is not a competition. I do not think that the IRFU nor the FAI are a threat to the GAA.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 29/02/2012 12:32:38    1119585

29/02/2012 12:26:28
Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 120

1119581 Test cricket is tedious but the 1 day and esp 20/20 cricket can be very exciting.

I'll take your word for it Ormondbannerman!!

I can take some slagging, either at myself or rugby, but some of the stuff here that is posted about irishmen who have been amongst our most successfull in recent years is pathetic. Just because you dont like a sport doesnt mean you have to be a keyboard warrior and post up rubbish like rugby is a foreign sport, bla bla bla. If you go on to the main rugby fora in ireland you dont see posts like that about the GAA. Why do people here have to be different?

If everyone was the same life would be very boring! Don't tkae it so personally. Maybe those people are ust very young. That said, you have to expect a huge GAA bias on a GAA foram and when a thread is set up on a GAA foram that encourages people to compare the three biggest supporting organisations in Ireland you have to expect that people on the GAA foram are going to defend the GAA!
The simple answer to this thread regarding the popularity of Irish sport in Ireland is that the GAA has the biggest following, followed by Irish rugby and lagging behind in third place is Irish soccer. And by the way, I wish the other two sports organisations all the best. To me it is not a competition. I do not think that the IRFU nor the FAI are a threat to the GAA.

I know thats a given considering the site we are on discussing the issue but their is some incredibly childish posts here. This forum is quite good but their is no need for the constant abuse of other sports or its followers. like ive said before you dont see the GAA getting the sort of abuse on irish rugby forums that rugby gets here

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 12:33:42    1119587

know thats a given considering the site we are on discussing the issue but their is some incredibly childish posts here. This forum is quite good but their is no need for the constant abuse of other sports or its followers. like ive said before you dont see the GAA getting the sort of abuse on irish rugby forums that rugby gets here

How many rugby sites have threads for other sports?

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 29/02/2012 13:45:11    1119648

29/02/2012 13:45:11
Real Kerry Fan
County: All
Posts: 2590

1119648 know thats a given considering the site we are on discussing the issue but their is some incredibly childish posts here. This forum is quite good but their is no need for the constant abuse of other sports or its followers. like ive said before you dont see the GAA getting the sort of abuse on irish rugby forums that rugby gets here

How many rugby sites have threads for other sports?

Munster and Leinster supporters fans forums have forums where they can discuss anything within reason for example the munsterfans site has an other sports section with over 1300 threads on sports like GAA, cricket, swimming, golf, soccer and many other sports. The leinsterfans site is the same with a similar amount of threads on sports other than rugby

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 16:08:23    1119828

ormond

so you do think its harder to make the connaught rugby team then the kilkenny hurling team
and your reason is because you get paid to play for connaught as thats all pro means when it boils down to it at the end of the day.
look at the amount of training sessions dublin did in the month of january alone this year are you telling me that its not professional training all because they dont get paid in that month how many sessions would connaught have done? i gather nowhere near that and yet just because they get paid means its harder
the gaa is professional in every aspect apart from being paid and please you said netween 15-21 you have to be good to be rugby player at that level to be good hurler you have to start a good 7 or 8 years earlier to make it at a county level

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/02/2012 16:19:37    1119845

29/02/2012 16:19:37
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1492

1119845 ormond

so you do think its harder to make the connaught rugby team then the kilkenny hurling team
and your reason is because you get paid to play for connaught as thats all pro means when it boils down to it at the end of the day.
look at the amount of training sessions dublin did in the month of january alone this year are you telling me that its not professional training all because they dont get paid in that month how many sessions would connaught have done? i gather nowhere near that and yet just because they get paid means its harder
the gaa is professional in every aspect apart from being paid and please you said netween 15-21 you have to be good to be rugby player at that level to be good hurler you have to start a good 7 or 8 years earlier to make it at a county level

You cant compare a team in pre season to a team in the middle of its season as pre season always involves much more training than you do in the middle of the season. Connacht would be doing 4-5 training sessions (each session at least an hour and a half long) a week at the moment but in pre season they would be doing 2 team sessions a day which are at least 2 hours long and players would then do another session by themselves be it skills/weights/cardio

I said you are identified as a potential pro between the ages of 15 and 21 and in most cases you have to have started 4-5 years earlier to make the top level

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/02/2012 16:29:14    1119855

If you took a 6 foot 5, 18 stone lad off the street whod never played rugby before and made him practice every day for say 6 weeks Id say hed have a good chance of rising high up the rugby ladder befroe too long.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/02/2012 16:37:49    1119868

Real Kerry Fan
County: All
Posts: 2590

1119648 know thats a given considering the site we are on discussing the issue but their is some incredibly childish posts here. This forum is quite good but their is no need for the constant abuse of other sports or its followers. like ive said before you dont see the GAA getting the sort of abuse on irish rugby forums that rugby gets here

How many rugby sites have threads for other sports?

There are a couple and they are littered with oikish jibes about the GAA (sorry dragball or bogball as they call it), tarquin, quintin and the goys are having a right laugh at the GAA on these sites but unlike certain people from Clare you don't see me on there ridiculing them.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 29/02/2012 16:39:20    1119869

TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 868

1119868 If you took a 6 foot 5, 18 stone lad off the street whod never played rugby before and made him practice every day for say 6 weeks Id say hed have a good chance of rising high up the rugby ladder befroe too long.

Leinster actually had a recruitment drive for lads exactly as you've described last year

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 29/02/2012 16:57:25    1119896

And lets not forget that when ballboy was on this forum slagging off the Gaa and joking about Gaa clubs closing Ormond never criticised him.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/02/2012 17:04:27    1119906