gaelic football is the hardest game to make it in
rugby you can be overweight and have limited skill
soccer you dont have to be very fit to play(andy reid) or have strength(beam pole crouch)
hurling you dont have to be as fit as gaelic football as the sliotar travels faster and does the work for you

gaelic football has the 3 main components fitness skill and physicalty

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2012 21:08:42    1117360

No way hill16.You have to be extremely fit to play hurling.We had a game on the street a few years ago,I was gasping for breath after ten minutes (and that was on a tiny pitch),and I could easily last an hour long football match.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 24/02/2012 21:23:23    1117369

hill im afraid gaa is not the hardest to make it in soccer is because gaa is not professional and is only played in 1 country and soccer also happens to be the most skillful..you are deluded if you think gaa is hardest to make it just because 1 soccer player is unfit

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 24/02/2012 21:30:55    1117373

ormond...compare barcelona to the irish rugby team and tell me which is more skillful..name the most skillful thing in rugby you see a lot?rugby is nothing close to soccer or gaa in this country in terms of popularity...please tell me how it compares to them??..it doesn't have close to the playing numbers...yes i will compare munster fans to soccer fans in places such as italy england germany and eastern europe..there is no comparison..all there doing is posing drinking a pint

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 24/02/2012 21:34:24    1117376

24/02/2012 21:08:42
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1482

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gaelic football is the hardest game to make it in
rugby you can be overweight and have limited skill
soccer you dont have to be very fit to play(andy reid) or have strength(beam pole crouch)
hurling you dont have to be as fit as gaelic football as the sliotar travels faster and does the work for you

gaelic football has the 3 main components fitness skill and physicalty

Soccer and Rugby are harder to make it as their is an international context and while in GAA you generally competing against just the people from your county in rugby or soccer you are competing on a worldwide basis.
Only some positions in rugby are what you would consider "overweight" but you could hardly call any of them overweight, they are professional athletes and are fitter than any poster on this forum.
Front 5 forwards in general are the least skilled players and are known as "donkeys" but cant be considered overweight

Many of the pro soccer players run 12km a game, so your argument that you dont have to be very fit is nul.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2012 21:43:01    1117388

24/02/2012 21:34:24
ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 231

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ormond...compare barcelona to the irish rugby team and tell me which is more skillful..name the most skillful thing in rugby you see a lot?rugby is nothing close to soccer or gaa in this country in terms of popularity...please tell me how it compares to them??..it doesn't have close to the playing numbers...yes i will compare munster fans to soccer fans in places such as italy england germany and eastern europe..there is no comparison..all there doing is posing drinking a pint

You cant compare ireland rugby team to barcalona as barca are the most skillful soccer team and ireland play very boring rugby. New Zealand and Australia and their club sides play very attractive style of rugby, free flowing very little rucks/mauls plenty of trys, they are a much better contrast.
Rubbish on the atmosphere thing about thomond, fans from all round the world have commented on the great atmosphere in thomond park.
Have you seen how popular munster rugby are?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2012 21:48:06    1117389

Rugby worlwide ? About 10 countries max. rest are there only to make up tthe numbers.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 24/02/2012 21:49:43    1117393

Ormond,how do you know that theyre fitter than any poster on this forum?Besides I wouldnt say that rugby is too difficult to make it in so long as you are a big man.Many rugby players started playing very late in their lives and still made it.
very few (if any) hurlers would be able to take up the game at the age of 15 or 16 and make it to the top level in the game

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 24/02/2012 21:50:34    1117394

Wheeeeewwww.........fiercely entertaining debate here. OK, here goes.....

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1482

im in limerick a lot with work and beleieve there is no oroblem in the last year or two getting tickets for any magners league or heineken cup group stage matches,
a home quarter final is when the bandwagon starts rolling down there.
theres no problem getting tickets down there before matches any of the pubs such as the locke bar,the curraghower or the strand hotel you will get them easy
im not listening to you talk on prejudicial commentary as it still remains that its only after i comment you seem to say this there have been pages of people airing the same views as me but only im prejudicial in your book,

I'll take your word for that if you're based in Limerick a lot, I will readily admit the 5 games I referred to were all high profile games (Leinster, Magners Final, Ulster, Heineken Pool game etc) so maybe I chose games of high demand. What I don't expect you to admit is that the same can be said for GAA and the bandwagon kicking in at QF/SF stage. Your refusal to acknowledge these points much less address them leads me to the prejudice I accuse you of. And I stand by it.

ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 229
gioger soccer is a far superior sport to rugby

You're probably right, walk into any sports store including Elverys & you'll see soccer memorbilia outweigh GAA & Rugby combined by a factor of 2 to 1 in my book. The primary reason Sky Sports has so many subscribers is most likely due to the Premiership & Euro2012 will certainly draw a lot of people in. And I firmly believe Man U vs Liverpool will get a lot more punters in the pubs across the nation then say, Cork vs Armagh any day of the week - I don't like it, but that's just how it is. But I don't appreciate your band wagon comments about rugby, it's had a huge following in this country for decades. And your comments about little going in rugby or a derivation of skill involved are bordering on idiotic - all field games require skill, Rugby is no exception

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 1051

Just because its a rival sport to the GAA doesnt mean you have to ridicule rugby with childish arguments, you dont see posts ridiculing hurling or gaelic football on the main irish rugby forums

That speaks for itself


hill16no1man
County: Dublin
gigoer

and you call me a predjudist against all sports except gaa,i wonder will you respond to his posts in the same manner or is it just me

Maybe not all sports but certainly rugby & firmly believe you are. Granted you're not the only pro-GAA with an anti-rugby agenda on this forum, but you are the one poster who refuses to acknowledge any argument you don't agree with.

Gonna wrap this up now, I still find it comical that you all attack each other with these agendas, 10 pages of posts later and I still can't fathom why any of you would compete GAA & Rugby against each other
Doesn't msatter to me anyway, I love both & the best thing about that is that when the Rugby season finishes, the GAA championship starts, when the championship finishes, the Rugby starts, when the Rugby finishes....anyone seeing a pattern here?
As far as I'm concerned, those of you who continue this little battle of wills against each other are pure suckers to someone like me

And with that, have a good weekend one and all. Fiercely entertaining....

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 24/02/2012 21:58:15    1117397

24/02/2012 21:50:34
TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 842

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Ormond,how do you know that theyre fitter than any poster on this forum?Besides I wouldnt say that rugby is too difficult to make it in so long as you are a big man.Many rugby players started playing very late in their lives and still made it.
very few (if any) hurlers would be able to take up the game at the age of 15 or 16 and make it to the top level in the game

Theyre pro athletes, what experience does anyone have hear that is equal to that and has the ability to prove
They made it at 15/16 because they were natural athletes, a natural athlete could take up another sport and do very very well.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2012 21:59:35    1117400

gigoer,i suppose its all about numbers.the more kids playing our games and the more people going to our matches the better,but the growth of any rival sports will affect these numbers which would be bad for the Gaa going forward.
I am very proud of the Gaa,i think it is a fantastic achievement for our people(not many nations have their own games,never mind being able to fill a stadium like croker)and I would like it to be as strong as possible in terms of participation,game attendances etc.You have the right attitude in that you support both equally,but there are lots of rugby/soccer people who give the Gaa a hard time too in fairness.It works both ways.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 25/02/2012 11:33:30    1117446

TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 845

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No way hill16.You have to be extremely fit to play hurling.We had a game on the street a few years ago,I was gasping for breath after ten minutes (and that was on a tiny pitch),and I could easily last an hour long football match.
24/02/2012 21:30:55
ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 231

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hill im afraid gaa is not the hardest to make it in soccer is because gaa is not professional and is only played in 1 country and soccer also happens to be the most skillful..you are deluded if you think gaa is hardest to make it just because 1 soccer player is unfit

you have to be fit to play hurling agreed but nowhere near the same fitness as football,players like joe canning are starsin the game but his fitness is awful
watch him try chase a player

the road
because gaa is not professsional what does that matter? you have to be far fitter to play football then soccer,i played both at high enough level and the training is worlds apart in terms of cardio and rsistance training and most soccer players will agree after they have been to a football session,its also logical the pitch is smaller in soccer and the game is played at a way lower intensity and pace then football.

ffgg
when i say make it in sport i mean to the top to be a star in the chosen sport,you only half to be half decent to make it in soccer for the very reasons you said the opposite to my point that its worldwide meaning there are far more oppurtunites to make a name for yourself,how is soccer more skillfull i never understand that people say this,you dribble you shoot you pass and you head the ball and you tackle thats the skills
in football you solo,you handpass ,kickpass,shoot for goals,shoot for points,take on guys,handpass for a score,you tackle,you also have to be able to take heavy tackles for me thats alot more skills then soccer

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2012 13:47:34    1117500

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 1054

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24/02/2012 21:08:42
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1482

1117360
gaelic football is the hardest game to make it in
rugby you can be overweight and have limited skill
soccer you dont have to be very fit to play(andy reid) or have strength(beam pole crouch)
hurling you dont have to be as fit as gaelic football as the sliotar travels faster and does the work for you

gaelic football has the 3 main components fitness skill and physicalty

Soccer and Rugby are harder to make it as their is an international context and while in GAA you generally competing against just the people from your county in rugby or soccer you are competing on a worldwide basis.
Only some positions in rugby are what you would consider "overweight" but you could hardly call any of them overweight, they are professional athletes and are fitter than any poster on this forum.
Front 5 forwards in general are the least skilled players and are known as "donkeys" but cant be considered overweight

Many of the pro soccer players run 12km a game, so your argument that you dont have to be very fit is nul.

ormond
you are competing 15 on 15 in gaa
11 on 11 in soccer
15 on 15 in rugby
it doesnt matter if your from differant countries or the same country
your idea of making it seems ina media context not on a sportsfield.
you are clearly wrong in terms if fitness im talking cardio fitness rugby players have severly dropped thee levels of this in the last decade
the emphasis is now firmly on physicalty and size thus carrying more mucle slowing down your ability to have higher energy levels and stamina levels and speed levels.i am a personal trainer so to make out that rugby players are fitter then any poster here is a very stupid remark as i can guarantee you i myself would be fitter not more physical but fitter in the atheltic context which it means.
yes soccer players are fitter then rugby players but you have large amounts of the game where you stroll around the pitch as it is not played at the same intensity as football thus showing you need far higher fitness,if they run 12k what do footballers run ?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2012 13:56:36    1117504

gigoer
County: Wexford
Posts: 1317

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Wheeeeewwww.........fiercely entertaining debate here. OK, here goes.....

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1482

im in limerick a lot with work and beleieve there is no oroblem in the last year or two getting tickets for any magners league or heineken cup group stage matches,
a home quarter final is when the bandwagon starts rolling down there.
theres no problem getting tickets down there before matches any of the pubs such as the locke bar,the curraghower or the strand hotel you will get them easy
im not listening to you talk on prejudicial commentary as it still remains that its only after i comment you seem to say this there have been pages of people airing the same views as me but only im prejudicial in your book,

I'll take your word for that if you're based in Limerick a lot, I will readily admit the 5 games I referred to were all high profile games (Leinster, Magners Final, Ulster, Heineken Pool game etc) so maybe I chose games of high demand. What I don't expect you to admit is that the same can be said for GAA and the bandwagon kicking in at QF/SF stage. Your refusal to acknowledge these points much less address them leads me to the prejudice I accuse you of. And I stand by it.

gigoer
my point on dublin keeping high attendances is proven though as leinster championship attendances up until 2010 were nearly all sell outs and dublin had not been winning all irelands and last season dublin brought the simliar attendaces to the nfl games in croke park as championship games thus showing that the support levels were there not just for big games so how can you say that the bandwagon startes only in quarter finals.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2012 14:02:49    1117506

gigoer

and you call me a predjudist against all sports except gaa,i wonder will you respond to his posts in the same manner or is it just me

Maybe not all sports but certainly rugby & firmly believe you are. Granted you're not the only pro-GAA with an anti-rugby agenda on this forum, but you are the one poster who refuses to acknowledge any argument you don't agree with.

then howcome its only my posts you attack about this.
i do acknowledge them by making points against what i feel in my opinion but you always have a same thing to say that im against all sports when you dont even know me i played alot of sports and watch alot of sports but the arguement here is that rugby is atken over from gaa and it clearly is not

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2012 14:09:36    1117510

I think he has a point there gigs in fairness.You seem to have a problem with people being anti rugby (and thats fair) but I mentioned in our previous debate personal examples of people being anti Gaa and you found it quite humourous.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 25/02/2012 14:18:56    1117513

God rugby is boring.
Snoozefest.

Coylers Elbow (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 25/02/2012 14:56:11    1117530

ormond and gioger..you both are deluded to even suggest any team in rugby is close to barcelona in terms of skill...rugby is a game largely dependent on power and speed with very little skill especially in the northern hemisphere....and even in the southern hemisphere the most skillful thing is an offload by sonny bill williams or quade cooper...how can you suggest rugby is anywhere near close to soccer and gaa in this country when the numbers that play it are so low when compared with gaa or soccer...all you two do is come on here and defend rugby to the hilt without providing any facts or anything....you also refuse to acknowledge the serious bandwagon rugby has become in this country

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 25/02/2012 15:37:07    1117536

In fairness lads the England wales game,though not too open or free flowing,was a good contest with plenty of drama,better than alot of premier league games today.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 25/02/2012 18:17:28    1117605

Rugby is by far the least skillfull of the 3. If any of you played Rugby underage and Football or soccer underage with it you would see that in Rubgy it's so much easier for someone to take the sport up late and be good at it. Hurling is by far the most skillfull and you really need to play it from a very young age.

Is football more skillfull than soccer? I don't know they are both skillfull in different ways but neither is clearly far more skillfull than the other. Can we just agree that both soccer and football are skilfull because they are.

Now onto Rugby, obviously it does require skill. The outhalf position is the only one that really requires a lot of skill and often at underage that position is taken up by someone who also plays football. But the pack is all about power and strenght. All you really need to become a good prop or back row is a willingness to go to the gym a lot and take protein or other suplements. A lot of people give up playing rugby after underage becasue they do not like the idea of having to bulk up to continue to be competitive.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 25/02/2012 18:45:39    1117614