What is the best shakes / drinks for putting on a few pounds and bit of power , and do they only work with weights ?

mickduffy2009 (Monaghan) - Posts: 182 - 01/12/2011 10:02:52    1078325

01/12/2011 10:02:52
mickduffy2009
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1078325 What is the best shakes / drinks for putting on a few pounds and bit of power , and do they only work with weights ?

Look at changing your diet before you look to the shakes etc
When trying to gain weight, try working out 3-4 times a week. Make sure you are weightlifting correctly! Lift hard and then recover for the next workout. Focus on the big exercises such as squats, deadlifts, bent-over rows, chin-ups, bench press, & military press
Count your calories on a normal daily basis

6 meals a day is a good start. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, and three other small meals at regular intervals throughout the day. Make it your goal to eat every 2.5 to 3 hours. Remember the principal weight gain tip is to get BIG, you have to eat BIG!

Steak, chicken, fruit, milk, vegetables, cheese and assorted types of nuts are the foods to feast on. Eat 4 - 6 pieces of fresh fruit a day, and at least 2 litres of milk and water a day. Low fat milk is a great, cheap protein source - take advantage of it. A sample snack meal would be a glass of milk, an apple, and a hand full of peanuts.

To gain weight, you do not NEED supplements, but they will help you gain the weight quicker. That's what they are, supplementation to an already good diet and training program. Think of supplements as the finishing touch.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/12/2011 10:17:47    1078338

the creatine thats in our body isnt the same as the creatine been produced in the tubs, the creatine in these tubs is high in protein

daboy (Meath) - Posts: 56 - 01/12/2011 10:31:28    1078349

hold on here , with the randonm drugs testing within the GAA , does this mean that playes can't take a cold remedy like lemsip but can take copious amount of creatine???

Now that's not right IMO.

freddy2 (Wexford) - Posts: 215 - 01/12/2011 11:17:02    1078380

01/12/2011 11:17:02
freddy2
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1078380 hold on here , with the randonm drugs testing within the GAA , does this mean that playes can't take a cold remedy like lemsip but can take copious amount of creatine???

Now that's not right IMO.

Youve assumed wrongly there

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/12/2011 11:28:21    1078385

Snufalufagus
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1078134
Here in Lucan where men are men we would punch the head off any fairy cought using this unmanly rubbish!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Be careful lads or Snuf will set Jedward on you

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 01/12/2011 11:28:51    1078386

Im 32 years old, 6 ft 2" and weigh just shy of 14 stone - I play gaelic football twice a week and go to the gym 2-3 times per week. A number of months ago I began looking at my diet and fitness regime and made a number of changes to try improve my overall fitness and strength. My diet usually consists of the following:Breakfast - Bowl of organic oats 4 slices of wholewheat brown bread + cup of tea.Lunch - Roll with ham/cheese ,apple, banana bag of low fat crisps water.Or if im at home, bowl of homemade vegetable soup + 2 slices of wholegrain bread/2 super egg omelette with ham/cheese + 2 slices of wholegrain bread ,beans on toast.Dinner - Lean meat ,skinless chicken breast/donegal catch salmon fillets + brown rice/wholegrain pasta + green/red/yellow pepper + onion + water.Evening - I dont tend to eat late at night, maybe some popcorn or a ham + chesse toastie on occasion.Weekends can be a different story - I like a drink, guinness being my tipple of choice so usually after a game on Saturday I will go out and drink 10-12 pints of stout. Sunday is usually a grill with a steak n spuds dinner. I have recently stopped eating grills and generally have an ommelete instead nowadays. I like red wine and usually have a bottle on a Thursday night with the missus.I think my diet is pretty good, I use non fat milk, low fat cheese and butter, eat no fast food at all except maybe the odd pizza once a month, drink about 6 pints of water per day - I dont eat many sweets or bars although i do have a weakness for cadbury's choccie fingers.Im in decent enough shape, when I go to the gym it usually consists of the following:
5k run on threadmill - stretches - sit ups + knuckle push ups, usually about 100 crunches and about 50 press-ups- done in 5 cycles - Quick swim + sauna/steam room - Other other gym day I lift free weights 4 sets of 10 - 17.5kg presses plus 15kg curls + 4 sets of 12 on the chest machine thingie at 40kg weight as well as doing 5k run
The main problem I find is weight gain, whereas I am pretty much at the same weight, I'm a lot leaner that I used to be - I have noticed in particular I have lost a lot of width on my thighs and legs as well as my shoulders and arms - I am more toned, at the expense of mass. I tried creatine powders before (pro form mass builder) but i found it just added weight to my gut than anywhere else so I stopped! I tried it for about 3 months and added about half a stone but in the wrong places, and this was with training as well! I used to take one in the morning (with non fat milk) and then one after training/gym in the evening. I have being going to the gym for about a year and a half now and I know my strength hasnt increased at all really in that time.Im not trying to build loads of muscle, just want to add some extra weight for strength purposes, particularly on my legs and shoulders. Should I be eating more, smaller meals? Is there other protein/createin powders that I would be more suited to? I am doing too much running to gain weight? Should I be doing different exercises in the gym?

Found this on boards.ie(slightly edited) ....... 4 questions to ask.
1.Did this make him a better footballer ?
2. At 32 he has to have good mileage on the clock.Why is he so concerned at this stage about his strength?
3. If he has kids would he suggest this routine, or any similar, to them. ?
4. Who or What started this craze with protein/createin powders etc.?

In my opinion this lad needs to see a shrink! Our amatuer game is reaching a point where players can't fart without having a shake( I'm talking about drink here).
More time out on the pitch training and learning the basic skills of Gaelic Football is the only answer. Pre match abstainance from pints is a must and gladly most players realise this.Those gone before us would turn in their graves. "The strong take from the weak and the smart take from the strong." ..... and thereby ends my rant.

derrymore (Kerry) - Posts: 180 - 01/12/2011 12:53:49    1078428

01/12/2011 12:53:49
derrymore
County: Kerry
Posts: 107

4 questions to ask.
1.Did this make him a better footballer ?
2. At 32 he has to have good mileage on the clock.Why is he so concerned at this stage about his strength?
3. If he has kids would he suggest this routine, or any similar, to them. ?
4. Who or What started this craze with protein/createin powders etc.?

In my opinion this lad needs to see a shrink! Our amatuer game is reaching a point where players can't fart without having a shake( I'm talking about drink here).
More time out on the pitch training and learning the basic skills of Gaelic Football is the only answer. Pre match abstainance from pints is a must and gladly most players realise this.Those gone before us would turn in their graves. "The strong take from the weak and the smart take from the strong." ..... and thereby ends my rant.

At 32 if he was worried he wasnt the most skilful player on the pitch you would imagine he would want to be as strong as he possibly could so he could be as physical on the pitch as he could to counter his lack of skills compared to younger players
From what ive seen and know of GAA players(hurlers in north tipp) not many are using shakes, its much more prominant among rugby players.

I dont know why you suggest he see a shrink, even if you are joking.

The lad on boards biggest problem is his workout as he does very little work in them, especially his weight sessions and not at great intensity

Craze about creatine, weight supplements started in 90s and first started to be widely used to enhance performance in 1992.
three out of four Olympic gold medalists in the 1996 summer Olympic games used creatine!

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 01/12/2011 13:25:30    1078440

bosch
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1078319 DUB1
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I feel if its taken in correctly should be up to individual wether they want to take it or not for me i dont think it gives you any advantage....

Why take it if it doesnt present any advantage? Surely that is the reason or taking it?

At the time i was taken it there was another lad training along with me and he was against taken all supplements.We trained same days same period of time all the time and as for the progress i made i felt the the other had made just as significant gains just like myself therefore think personally there is no advantage...

DUB1 (Dublin) - Posts: 5583 - 01/12/2011 14:34:48    1078483

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At the time i was taken it there was another lad training along with me and he was against taken all supplements.We trained same days same period of time all the time and as for the progress i made i felt the the other had made just as significant gains just like myself therefore think personally there is no advantage...

So from your personal experience either;

a) creatine didnt work and it was just your work that allowed you to stay at the same level

or

b) the creatine allowed you to stay at the same level as your mate, which if you didnt have creatine you would have been at a lower level

If its option b then it was an advantage
If option a then it was no use.

Its not a level playing field if some use creatine and some dont. If it does what it says it does then it is an advantage to the user.

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 01/12/2011 15:34:53    1078543

You "love the attitude",dHorse?I was being facetious.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 01/12/2011 15:59:04    1078559

Great response a chairde thanks again. If anyone else has any views I'd be grateful.

AnCadhnach (Carlow) - Posts: 4 - 01/12/2011 17:10:23    1078637

if players are doing weight programs in the gym or on the field and power work in the gym or field then surely creatine is essential to help them achieve the maximum results for their efforts?

creatine is a natural substance that occurs in everyone's body in the muscle
by taking it as a supplement you are allowing the body to exert maximum force for longer when training - ie lifting weights, sprinting, jumping etc

and if taken correctly you do not bloat up.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1905 - 01/12/2011 19:30:48    1078729

I use it, and I'll be honest. You could do a session in the gym on any given day, and then get up the next morning and be aching all over the place. You may not be ready for another workout session for 5-6 days. However, take a dose of creatine and the body repairs itself much quicker. It wont make people ANY bigger physically, it simply repairs muscle rapidly, so you can do more weights in a shorter space of time.

Personally I think 6 raw eggs a day is just as good. Creatine is costly enough.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 01/12/2011 19:51:36    1078749

Creatine is not 'essential' in any way shape or form, however if your serious about training it will be a help - over a period of time. A 5g serving of creatine isn't going to be effective after one serving, its no magic powder, however if you take it properly you will notice it becoming a subtle help over a period of extended use. There is no such thing as taking too much creatine, purely because you will urinate out whatever the body cannot handle but it just makes economic sense to keep it to a 5g serving, twice a day (pretty much the agreed dosage).

Creatine bloats up some people, that is just the muscles retaining extra water - It doesn't have this effect on me but it can, rarely it must be said on some people. Once you finish up using creatine (usually after 6-8 weeks of your programme), you will lose that extra water kept in the body. Also, the 'bloating' is very much a loose term, people who use this term blame Creatine for having awful diets and wonder why they become a bit 'soft' around the arms and body or wherever. Its something that you really have to try for yourself and see if your body reacts to it, but to be honest its a neglible difference in my opinion, everyone's body is different, and the results will thus be also.

Also, for those who believe that creatine should be banned etc, this will never be the case. Creatine is not like say, Ephedrine - It occurs naturally and this is why but again, its no magic solution.

I've found out that most people who are 'anti creatine' are also the same people who will go to a gym and do endless bicep curls and think that they are working out for their football, its just misinformation and wrong.

There is loads of information on Creatine on boards.ie, even if you just take a read through some of the topics there that will definitly put some people straight about this.

I await the next topic on NO-Xplode and Jack3d.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 01/12/2011 19:55:26    1078752

I've been known to take the odd drop of ovaltine myself and been hitting the gym pretty hard lately but im struggling to increase the weights or number of reps each time - any tips welcome please lads.

stranmillis29 (Antrim) - Posts: 788 - 01/12/2011 19:56:37    1078754

bosch
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1078543 DUB1
County: Dublin
Posts: 1319

At the time i was taken it there was another lad training along with me and he was against taken all supplements.We trained same days same period of time all the time and as for the progress i made i felt the the other had made just as significant gains just like myself therefore think personally there is no advantage...

So from your personal experience either;

a) creatine didnt work and it was just your work that allowed you to stay at the same level

or

b) the creatine allowed you to stay at the same level as your mate, which if you didnt have creatine you would have been at a lower level

If its option b then it was an advantage
If option a then it was no use.

Its not a level playing field if some use creatine and some dont. If it does what it says it does then it is an advantage to the user.

Bosch as i said in previous i did make progress with the use of this substance but my mate he also did too without it.Now personally i think creatine for me was effective im a small lad im 5ft 4 were my mate is 6ft 2 and off big build wether that has a part to play in it i dont know...

DUB1 (Dublin) - Posts: 5583 - 01/12/2011 21:19:49    1078825

stranmillis29
County: Antrim
Posts: 741

1078754 I've been known to take the odd drop of ovaltine myself and been hitting the gym pretty hard lately but im struggling to increase the weights or number of reps each time - any tips welcome please lads.

spinach no bulls**t i seen this lad eat it and the results is shocking !!!!!!
http://youtu.be/stjBajz5HLw

dubbydave. (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 01/12/2011 21:24:04    1078827

DUB1
County: Dublin
Posts: 1322

1078825 bosch
County: Derry
Posts: 807

1078543 DUB1
County: Dublin
Posts: 1319

At the time i was taken it there was another lad training along with me and he was against taken all supplements.We trained same days same period of time all the time and as for the progress i made i felt the the other had made just as significant gains just like myself therefore think personally there is no advantage...

So from your personal experience either;

a) creatine didnt work and it was just your work that allowed you to stay at the same level

or

b) the creatine allowed you to stay at the same level as your mate, which if you didnt have creatine you would have been at a lower level

If its option b then it was an advantage
If option a then it was no use.

Its not a level playing field if some use creatine and some dont. If it does what it says it does then it is an advantage to the user.

Bosch as i said in previous i did make progress with the use of this substance but my mate he also did too without it.Now personally i think creatine for me was effective im a small lad im 5ft 4 were my mate is 6ft 2 and off big build wether that has a part to play in it i dont know...
01/12/2011 21:24:04

ha ha dub1 im taller im 5ft 5

dubbydave. (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 01/12/2011 21:33:30    1078835

ha ha dub1 im taller im 5ft 5

Your easily amused dave...

DUB1 (Dublin) - Posts: 5583 - 01/12/2011 21:38:47    1078840