I know it is purely hypothetical but if that referee had made the same wrong call Sherridans goal early on in the game should he be relieved of the referee role

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 29/11/2011 21:08:32    1077576

1077448 TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 258

"Tomsmith,Sludden went up to the umpire and told him to put the flag up,without consulting with him ...."

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 14466

"No your wrong sludden went up and asked umpire are we giving the goal up said yes so he said lift the flag , according to his report."

TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 263

"Im not a lip reader,but Ive watched the thing just now on youtube.It was a 2 second conversation and Sludden looked adamant that it was a goal.If what youre saying is true the umpire would have lifted the green flag straight away,which he didnt."

TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 263

"Yeah,just looked at it again to be sure.How you can tell exactly what the ref and umpire are saying is beyond me dellboy,but what is not in dispute is that the umpire refused to put up the green flag,and after a two second chat with the ref he puts it up."

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 14466

"TheRoad Yes according to the umpire and ref that was the words that was said."


Dell,

Out of curiosity where did you see the referees report ? and more importantly how did you get to see it ?.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 29/11/2011 21:14:16    1077582

The GAA has a hard time acknowledging when errors have been made by referees. This quite simple would not work.

Armaghgeddon (Armagh) - Posts: 539 - 29/11/2011 21:22:45    1077596

Squid word

29/11/2011 18:28:44
TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 264

1077418 Tomsmith,Sludden went up to the umpire and told him to put the flag up,without consulting with him.That is complately unacceptable,and is ten times worse than making a genuine mistake when awarding a free in the heat of the moment without the benefit of a replay.
Anyway,its done.I acknowledge it happened a year and a half ago.Time to move on,I know,but Im not sure what youre getting at at the start of your post concerning naming a referee.Are you suggesting they remain anonymous and wear a mask over their heads?
P.S. You can be sure Joe Sheridan knows well it was an illegal score.

Mr Squirword I never stated in any post that the referee in the Joesph Sheridan Goal in the Meath v Louth game consulted with his umpire. I did see the THe Road from Galway misquote me and in my humble way I let it pass .
29/11

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 29/11/2011 21:34:46    1077605

tomsmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1379

1077605 Squid word

29/11/2011 18:28:44
TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 264

1077418 Tomsmith,Sludden went up to the umpire and told him to put the flag up,without consulting with him.That is complately unacceptable,and is ten times worse than making a genuine mistake when awarding a free in the heat of the moment without the benefit of a replay.
Anyway,its done.I acknowledge it happened a year and a half ago.Time to move on,I know,but Im not sure what youre getting at at the start of your post concerning naming a referee.Are you suggesting they remain anonymous and wear a mask over their heads?
P.S. You can be sure Joe Sheridan knows well it was an illegal score.

"Mr Squirword I never stated in any post that the referee in the Joesph Sheridan Goal in the Meath v Louth game consulted with his umpire. I did see the THe Road from Galway misquote me and in my humble way I let it pass ."
29/11

tomsmith
Cavan,

I never said you did.

Should tomsmith be substituted after making an error ?.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 29/11/2011 22:00:30    1077630

SQuidword,

Leaving aside the Referee (Who I feel should not be named in any post) who awarded that Goal in the last few minutes in that Louth V Meath game if that would have happened earlier on in the game should he be substituted..I feel that to appease the paying public that this is the road we have to go down.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 01/12/2011 16:02:27    1078562

Tomsmith whats the point in not naming the referee in the Louth/Meath game.Everyone knows who he is anyway.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 01/12/2011 16:19:37    1078584

I think s goldrick said it best.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 01/12/2011 18:46:41    1078700

The Road Galway,

Everyone has a life outside of sport and that also goes for a Referee, who have a very difficult job.
I feel that should the referee make what some might feel are unfair decisions that he could be relieved of his duties before the end of the game,
This excerise would be two fold
No 1 It would permit the paying public to understand that to err id human and that teh GAA takes remedial action.
No 2 It would permit the Official to make an ordinarily departure from the n grounds prior to the end of the game

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 02/12/2011 15:01:38    1079088

02/12/2011 15:01:38
tomsmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1382

1079088 The Road Galway,

Everyone has a life outside of sport and that also goes for a Referee, who have a very difficult job.
I feel that should the referee make what some might feel are unfair decisions that he could be relieved of his duties before the end of the game,
This excerise would be two fold
No 1 It would permit the paying public to understand that to err id human and that teh GAA takes remedial action.
No 2 It would permit the Official to make an ordinarily departure from the n grounds prior to the end of the game

Replacing a ref is not a good idea as if if a ref is being replaced you are saying that he is not good enough, why not put in procedures that improves the quality of refereeing
Replacing a referee at the top level would be disadvantageous as the ref in his next few games would more than likely end up getting verbal abuse saying he's useless and theres no subs to let him hide today....
Improve standards of coaching referees and the assessment of referees not replace them when they are doing bad

Give a ref feedback at the end of a game, dont replace them during it.
If a ref preforms poorly in a game, make them drop levels for the next game they ref as they may not be up to the level they had been reffing at

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 02/12/2011 15:12:22    1079099

I accept that point TomSmith.Im just saying that it would be a bit too much to give refs anonymity,as then there could be very little accountability on the refs part.If their names were not made public,it would be quite easy for them to show bias toward a certain team and get away with it.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 02/12/2011 15:32:54    1079121

The Road Galway,

I disagee with you in relation to Referees name being made public.
If you look at this way prior to the last tweleve county finals that we Cavan Gaels have competed in in Cavan it was common to all of them to hear the opposition saying oh Tom Smyth is the referee he gives us nothing I am using that name Tom Smyth for illustration pusposes only.
The opposition goes into the game as feelling down trodden and that the Referee is aginst them.
In fact what is wrong is that the are not up to the standard of say Cavan Gales..

It may be best if the referee was not named at all.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 04/12/2011 14:26:31    1079683

I take that point,its just that surely it would be an impossible secret to keep.Someone(say a friend of a friend) would know who the ref is,and these things have a way of getting out in the open,word gets around,and besides if that wouldnt happen,players would recognise his face anyway.
If anything this attempt at secrecy would inconvenience the ref more as he would have to live in a bubble in the run up to a game.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 04/12/2011 16:58:00    1079767

The Road,
Galway

I take that point,its just that surely it would be an impossible secret to keep.Someone(say a friend of a friend) would know who the ref is,and these things have a way of getting out in the open,word gets around,and besides if that wouldnt happen,players would recognise his face anyway.
If anything this attempt at secrecy would inconvenience the ref more as he would have to live in a bubble in the run up to a game

Tomsmith here,
I take your point that should it be intended that it was to be kept a secret it would be difficult.
But I feel that who the Referee is should not matter. What would matter to all concerned is that he will do a good job and he is up to the task.
I think I remember not that long ago that a County was refusing to play under a particular referee.
That is very unfair to the official involved , but if you had situation where he could be replaced that would remove all opposition to him.
Is not a fact now that in the championship that Referees from outside the provience is appointed to a lot of the Games.
We here in Cavan have been blessed in having very good referees down the years Fintan Tierney RIP, Michael Greenan in the past now Mc Quillan, and Crowe are the best around.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 05/12/2011 13:22:12    1080107

It would be best for this subject to be parked up for a while in the enforced close season.
No doubt that with the O Byre and Mc Kenna cup games comming up in the new year that examples will be had to say that Tomsmith's thinking was away before his time

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 10/12/2011 11:53:11    1082586