If referees were to replaced by a sub referee this would cost clubs a fortune to pay 2 refs a game.....

Tarraing_a_mhi (Meath) - Posts: 104 - 23/11/2011 22:01:24    1074783

Ata Cliath.

I would not expect Croke Park to adopt Tomsmiths proposal without admendments as new Gaa byelaws.
You could have a supporters poll at the exit to establish the refs rating.
A fellow/lassie that goes to games would be in an exceallant position to judge the ref on the spot as she/he left the game.

A ref that would get poor ratings should not get any more games untill he di in-service training

It is funny to heard so call TV/radio pundits say the ref played great advantage or another saying the ref used cvommon sense in his decisions.
Where in the GAA code is common sense or advantage in the playing rules..

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 24/11/2011 12:45:05    1074927

tomsmith... you are really over the top now with your suggestion that spectators rate the referee and that this would then determine if and when he referees again.


Sorry now tomsmith... joke.

Based on your last post I suspect that you have something against some referee or you are a referee yourself and feel that you have been mistreated.

As for your comments on avantage rule and common sense... I know that there is no rule on common sense and that there is a rule on advantage. Perhaps it would be worth your while to read the rule book but I again suspect that you are already very familiar with it!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1875 - 24/11/2011 17:16:05    1075194

Carlowman,

I have to point out that my suggestions were made to improve the image of the GAA.
I feel that in light of experiences on the playing field in recent times that this ongoing situations can not be allowed to continue.
I am sure that if a Ref felt that he was having a stinker that he would rather be substituted than finish the game.
If you would have regular Referee subs being used it would be taken as normal and no great notice would be taken of it.

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 28/11/2011 19:09:54    1076857

28/11/2011 19:09:54
tomsmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1374

1076857 Carlowman,

I have to point out that my suggestions were made to improve the image of the GAA.
I feel that in light of experiences on the playing field in recent times that this ongoing situations can not be allowed to continue.
I am sure that if a Ref felt that he was having a stinker that he would rather be substituted than finish the game.
If you would have regular Referee subs being used it would be taken as normal and no great notice would be taken of it.

Your idea will never and could never happen as it would mean that at least 2 refs would be needed at each game which would not be possible due to simple economics ie supply and demand, never mind the issue of it totally undermining what referees do on the field. What needs to be done is every ref to undergo regular training and learning as to ensure that they are at the peak of thier abilities.
In rugby, i know that refs are regularly assessed by the top officials and then given a report by the assessor on what they are strong on and what they are weak on. They then have to work on those issues in their next few games and are assessed again later on in the season/year to see if they have improved. It a ref is very poor in a game, theyhave to drop down a level, ie drop from reffing junior 2 games to reffing junior3 and underage, or drop from reffing senior games to reffing junior games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/11/2011 20:28:44    1076899

ormondbannerman
County: Clare

I see no problems with a second referee being available, sure what happens at present if the referee pulls a muscle or gets injured.
He has to be replaced.
The same could apply in games where you have netural linesmen , one of them takes over and he would have already learned from the mistakes made by the previous Referee

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 28/11/2011 21:44:19    1076966

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 439

1076899
28/11/2011 19:09:54
tomsmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1374

1076857 Carlowman,

I have to point out that my suggestions were made to improve the image of the GAA.
I feel that in light of experiences on the playing field in recent times that this ongoing situations can not be allowed to continue.
I am sure that if a Ref felt that he was having a stinker that he would rather be substituted than finish the game.
If you would have regular Referee subs being used it would be taken as normal and no great notice would be taken of it.

Your idea will never and could never happen as it would mean that at least 2 refs would be needed at each game which would not be possible due to simple economics ie supply and demand, never mind the issue of it totally undermining what referees do on the field. What needs to be done is every ref to undergo regular training and learning as to ensure that they are at the peak of thier abilities.
In rugby, i know that refs are regularly assessed by the top officials and then given a report by the assessor on what they are strong on and what they are weak on. They then have to work on those issues in their next few games and are assessed again later on in the season/year to see if they have improved. It a ref is very poor in a game, theyhave to drop down a level, ie drop from reffing junior 2 games to reffing junior3 and underage, or drop from reffing senior games to reffing junior games

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And where is this different to the GAA??

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 29/11/2011 09:17:20    1076996

Ormondbannerman,just because rugby players dont complain to the ref dosent mean he has done a good job.Like in soccer,and the Gaa,I have seen some appalling refereeing displays in rugby over the years.Its part of sport,and had it not been for Martin Sluddens outrageous decision to give Meath the goal,it wouldnt be a huge issue in the Gaa,or at least it would be no worse than other sports.
Even tv replays arent always necessarily conclusive.We often see pundits,experts,etc disagreeing about penalties after being shown replays(although no one disagreed about Meaths goal,except Joe Sheridan)
I think that secretly the FA and the like enjoy refereeing controversy as it keeps their game on the back pages.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 11:58:55    1077090

TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 252

1077090 Ormondbannerman,just because rugby players dont complain to the ref dosent mean he has done a good job.Like in soccer,and the Gaa,I have seen some appalling refereeing displays in rugby over the years.Its part of sport,and had it not been for Martin Sluddens outrageous decision to give Meath the goal,it wouldnt be a huge issue in the Gaa,or at least it would be no worse than other sports.
Even tv replays arent always necessarily conclusive.We often see pundits,experts,etc disagreeing about penalties after being shown replays(although no one disagreed about Meaths goal,except Joe Sheridan)
I think that secretly the FA and the like enjoy refereeing controversy as it keeps their game on the back pages.

Rugby players do complain to the ref but they do it through the ref, or designated pack leader. The GAA could do the same ecept with 1 player in the backs, 1 in the forwards as well as the captain.
There has been appaling decisions in rugby over the years like any and every sport but you never(very very rarely) see the type of reactions you get from supporters/players of hurling/g football

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/11/2011 12:28:18    1077111

The Road
Galway,

Your comments concerning an alleged wrong call where you name a particular referee should not happen.
If a referee makes an incorrect call he is only human and I feel to err is human.
The referee that you refer to should have had officials that would have told him as it was that it was a perfect score as player Joesph Sheridan felt ,or that it was a wrong/incorrect procedure that led to the score and that it was to be disallowed.
In any case that would not have been applicable to my post as it was very near the end of the game and to call the referee aside would not be feasable

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4029 - 29/11/2011 13:40:45    1077152

While I accept ormondbannerman that rugby players and supporters do behave in an exemplary fashion,I still dont think the Gaa is as bad as soccer.Friends of mine who dont really follow the gaa are slagging off the gaa for what happened in Tyrone,but can you imagine if fans werent segregated,or were allowed onto the pitch in say,an old firm match.Im thinking there would probably be people killed every time they play.In argentina,they draft in the army to deal with river plate/boca junior matches,and im sure that if you went to local sunday league games in England and parts of Ireland,youd see refs getting abused quite regularly.My uncle lives in Brazil,and he goes to matches there and says that refs need police escorts on and off the pitch,even when they havent made any controversial calls,yet youd swear listening to people the last few weeks that this is an exclusively Gaa orientated problem.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 17:12:08    1077332

Tomsmith,Sludden went up to the umpire and told him to put the flag up,without consulting with him.That is complately unacceptable,and is ten times worse than making a genuine mistake when awarding a free in the heat of the moment without the benefit of a replay.
Anyway,its done.I acknowledge it happened a year and a half ago.Time to move on,I know,but Im not sure what youre getting at at the start of your post concerning naming a referee.Are you suggesting they remain anonymous and wear a mask over their heads?
P.S. You can be sure Joe Sheridan knows well it was an illegal score.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 18:28:44    1077418

TheRoad
County: Galway
Posts: 258

1077418 Tomsmith,Sludden went up to the umpire and told him to put the flag up,without consulting with him ....


No your wrong sludden went up and asked umpire are we giving the goal up said yes so he said lift the flag , according to his report.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 29/11/2011 18:58:55    1077448

I meant to say umpire says yes then he said lift the flag...

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 29/11/2011 19:01:52    1077453

Im not a lip reader,but Ive watched the thing just now on youtube.It was a 2 second conversation and Sludden looked adamant that it was a goal.If what youre saying is true the umpire would have lifted the green flag straight away,which he didnt.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 19:18:05    1077469

Yeah,just looked at it again to be sure.How you can tell exactly what the ref and umpire are saying is beyond me dellboy,but what is not in dispute is that the umpire refused to put up the green flag,and after a two second chat with the ref he puts it up.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 19:22:36    1077474

And lastly,whos report are you basing this on?Im assuming youre not basing it on the refs report.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 19:25:00    1077476

TheRoad Yes according to the umpire and ref that was the words that was said.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 29/11/2011 19:40:23    1077487

Wouldnt read too much into that.In their position id probably fabricate some things too.In fairness to the ref I always did feel that umpire got off very lightly there,and needed to take alot more of the responsibility.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 29/11/2011 20:19:31    1077527

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 14466

As a matter of interest do you send in written reports or is done by email nowadays

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 29/11/2011 20:55:33    1077559