With Alan Brogan and Michael Fennelly getting money through the GAA/GPA all stars they would now be classed as professional sports people at least in other sports that is how it would be seen . Is this the end of amateur GAA in Ireland.

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 23/10/2011 12:51:40    1057111

They received an award that was sponsored by a major car company

JinxyPoop (UK) - Posts: 1162 - 23/10/2011 13:41:26    1057144

They received money so that makes them professional .

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 23/10/2011 14:59:31    1057197

This is turning out to be unhealthy obsession with some people if you ask me

Shefflin advertised Lucozade sport on TV, that doesn't make him or the GAA professional

No doubt, Brogan would laugh in your face if he was asked to consider himself a professional sportsman. Brian O Driscoll, Robbie Keane, Padraig Harrington are professionals, not the GAA players

Drop it

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 23/10/2011 15:27:57    1057213

tinrylandman are they getting payed to play football by the GAA?

fermanagh123 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 19 - 23/10/2011 15:39:43    1057222

No, but a lot of the big name players are making good money out of the gaa and I say fair play to them.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/10/2011 16:09:05    1057254

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 193

1057111
With Alan Brogan and Michael Fennelly getting money through the GAA/GPA all stars they would now be classed as professional sports people at least in other sports that is how it would be seen . Is this the end of amateur GAA in Ireland.

No.

This is progress.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 23/10/2011 16:30:08    1057276

Tinrylandman,I think the 99.9% of footballers and hurlers who havents received any monetary reward this year might disagree with you.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 23/10/2011 16:34:05    1057281

I must say that I'm very disappointed by some of the comments on this post. 6.5k for winning layer of the year does make those two players professional, yes. They received ay for playing. Thats professionalism. As is the 1.5k that the 28 other All-Star winners receive. If some players make money advertising products, that is not exactly professionalism- they are receiving money for appearing in an advertisement, much as a few actor mates of mine do. They are paid for being in an ad, not for playing. Paying players for their performances through this All Star scheme is pay-for-play and is professionalism.

If you want to argue that players should be paid or shouldnt be paid, thats a different post and a different argument. But there is no doubting that for the 30 All-Stars this year, they were professional to the extent of 1.5k, or 6.5k in the two lads cases.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 23/10/2011 16:56:58    1057308

icehonesty,
why are u disapointed with replies.They are profesional in" training and commitment" and if fortunate to get an allstar recieve a bonus. none are on salaries,contracts with their counties. Its not play for pay ,Its a prize decided to be given by others.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/10/2011 17:31:59    1057344

its not professional.. the money was part of an award. And yes that award was for playing but they werent actually being paid to play the sport, they were rewarded for being the best at it

up_donegal (Donegal) - Posts: 659 - 23/10/2011 18:51:51    1057415

it obviously doesnt transcend to professionalism. so we have two professional players in the GAA this season? more than likely two different ones next year? get real. a professional contract would involve a binding agreement between a player and an employer where services are exchanged! it would not include a monetary sponsorship/award by an exterior interest.

until GAA players receive contracted wages they are not professional. they continue to give their free time to an organisation free of charge or for their own enjoyment. hence voluntary or amateur.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 23/10/2011 18:59:11    1057421

God its a disgrace , people gettn on here begrudgn the likes of Alan Brogan a lousy 5,000 of an Award....What competition do ye enter and win and NOT get a prize...5000 is a paltry sum of money for the personal sarcrafices Alan and any Intercounty player makes, sarcrafices beyond anyones comprehension...He wouldent want to spend it all in the one shop now!!!!!

Mollymalone (Dublin) - Posts: 1137 - 23/10/2011 19:16:27    1057435

Being paid for playing is professionalism. Receiving an award or holiday is one thing, so is doing advertisements. But handing players cash? Not right.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 23/10/2011 19:25:11    1057441

icehonesty

but cash is just part of the reward ? I dont see whats so hard for you to get your head around ? Its like if I entered a darts competitin down the local and won.... I wouldnt be a proffessional dart player then would I ??

up_donegal (Donegal) - Posts: 659 - 23/10/2011 19:41:49    1057453

God its a disgrace , people gettn on here begrudgn the likes of Alan Brogan a lousy 5,000 of an Award....What competition do ye enter and win and NOT get a prize...5000 is a paltry sum of money for the personal sarcrafices Alan and any Intercounty player makes, sarcrafices beyond anyones comprehension...He wouldent want to spend it all in the one shop now!!!!!

I have not seen anybody "begrudge" Alan Brogan his money, or Michael Fennelly for that matter.

The reason this thread is here is because some players are recieving financial reward for providing GAA sevices. Such rewards go against what is percieved to be the whole ethos of the GAA.

The discussion here is whether or not money given to Players of the Year amounts to professionalism. I don't think anybody is particularly bothered by the people who recieved the money, or the sacrifices they made.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 23/10/2011 19:51:30    1057469

*meant to say award not reward above ^

up_donegal (Donegal) - Posts: 659 - 23/10/2011 19:52:02    1057471

its very simple! they have no employer in terms of their sporting activities within the GAA, and also the GAA did not pay them! call it something else, but its not professionalism! whether its right or wrong is subjective. thats mere opinion! but the FACT is, it is not an act of professionalism!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 23/10/2011 19:53:53    1057473

They are not professional ..never will be too.
It was a reward for being nominated players of the year. Correct me if I am wrong but does that money go into their respective players funds for a holiday or the like? No harm done .... However I can see where this is going with that scheming Farrell, but he'll get shot down like he has done in the past...

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 24/10/2011 10:26:17    1057631

tinrylandman
County: Carlow
Posts: 193

1057111 With Alan Brogan and Michael Fennelly getting money through the GAA/GPA all stars they would now be classed as professional sports people at least in other sports that is how it would be seen . Is this the end of amateur GAA in Ireland.

With analysis that lazy youd be a shoo in for the Herald or Mail journalist staff.

Go, Fly, Live your Dream!

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 24/10/2011 11:03:04    1057653