clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 646

1049820 Mate you can say mass for all I care it won't change the fact that Joe mcmahon wouldn't lace Sean cavanagh boots. I wouldn't mind the last two years Bernard brogan has absolutely destroyed Joe mcmahon. Ask any other county what tyrone player they fear most and I'm convince 95 per cent will say Sean cavanagh. I can't believe I'm still talking about this when everyone knows who the better player is.

So Bernard Brogan gets the better of a makeshift full back twice and this somehow makes Sean Cavanagh who Joe has marked out of the ground on their last two match ups a better player? As regards your fact, it is only an opinion, not fact.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 11/10/2011 12:24:05    1050074

I def understand why he is saying that because Joe has skills that Sean cant match. Joe is a more natural footballer. He can read the game very well, has great vision and passing skills. Sean is more of a power runner but lacks some of the subleties of the game. Joe has struggled a bit with injuries throughout his career and his skills are wasted at full-back. In that sense Sean has def had more of an impact for Tyrone and when he plays well....people remember those games, whereas Joe's contribution is usually harder to spot in a more unselfish way.

In soccer terms its like comparing Scholes with Gerrard. Scholes is a great technical player and passer of the ball. Gerrard is more of a 'take the game by the scruff of the neck' player and leads the charge. I would always prefer a Scholes-like player so I know where he is coming from

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 11/10/2011 13:04:36    1050111

Loyal2TheRoyal
County: Meath
Posts: 4330

1049858 I watch Sean play at least a dozen times a year and see him outside of the county set up the same with McMahon and I know who I would have first on the team sheet.

There's no doubt that Sean Cavanagh has left a greater legacy within Tyrone GAA than either of the McMahons. And unfortunetely for you Omaghredhand, there can be no denying that. The Gaelic Football fans across Ireland will remember Cavanagh as one of the icons of Tyrone GAA 2002-2011. They will remember the McMahons as very good players but they will be well down the list - behind McMenamin, Gormely, Jordan, O'Neill, Canavan, Cavlan, Mulligan, McGuigan and Cavanagh.

Now admittedly, Cavanagh's form dipped after his heroics in 2008 and I would even say that both McMahons were Tyrone's best performers in the years since and if that's the argument you are making, then I would have no problem agreeing. But I think you are saying that Joe McMahon has made a bigger contribution to Tyrone than Cavanagh? And this is simply not true.

I'd also argue that Cavanagh has been one of the most adaptable players in terms of playing position - ever! The idea that he lacks the versatility of McMahon is extremely harsh.

Probably the best response yet. I am not arguing about the greater legacy Loyal, merely that I think technically that Joe is a better all round player, i.e. he has a greater skill set. Joe McMahon is a legend in Tyrone throughout the county and he is held in as high esteem as any of those you have mentioned bar Canavan. Maybe people from outside of Ulster who only get a chance to watch these boys 2-3 times a year at most may have different views, I don't know. By your own statement since 08 Sean has been decidedly off his best and when he is off it he is really of it. My main point is that McMahon is consistently good. In 2005 when Dublin had begun to turn the screw, McMahon was the player moved on to Ciarán Whelan and stemmed the flow when all others had failed. In 2008 McMahon was the man brought out of the forward line to help deal with the twin towers. How many others would have that versatility? So has he made a bigger contribution than Cavanagh to Tyrone, possibly not but then again forwards are always remembered but that was not the question.

With regards to Seans versatility, midfield half forward, full forward? Joe, Full forward, half forward, midfield, half back and full back and virtually everywhere in between

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 11/10/2011 13:21:37    1050125

Benjjy you can be my script writer any time you want, exactly what I was trying to say.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 11/10/2011 13:23:59    1050128

It is a fact. Now stop being silly.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 11/10/2011 13:26:04    1050130

Fact: Verifiable

Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof

I know which one applies to your argument

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 11/10/2011 16:17:44    1050306

Fact.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 11/10/2011 18:00:23    1050393

They must allow you a fair bit of internet access at school.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 12/10/2011 09:23:20    1050589

At least I know my football.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 12/10/2011 10:54:15    1050644

At least I know my football.

Now that definitely is a matter of opinion...

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 12/10/2011 11:27:23    1050677

In fairness Doublehop going by the new definition of the term "fact" it is indeed the case.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 12/10/2011 13:04:46    1050774

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 651

1050644 At least I know my football.

Must do given that you can decide as fact who is the better Tyrone footballer having only watched them a couple of times a year.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 12/10/2011 13:06:24    1050776

couldnt agree more doublehop

chicharito (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 12/10/2011 13:13:56    1050780

Chicharito good strong gaa name that. Kildare if you win leinster or beat a top team then I will give you credit until then will you stop with this nonsense of being the most consistent team of the last four years cause you have bet no one. And of course I hates yous.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 12/10/2011 14:14:17    1050842

Fact

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 12/10/2011 14:19:12    1050848

oh im sorry clondalkin i didnt realise im not allowed follow 2 sports! pardon me! you can have your little digs all you want about my username or what you think about kildare but most people on this forum have a bit of intelligence & will take it with a pinch of salt

chicharito (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 12/10/2011 15:05:07    1050884

So why don't you then?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 12/10/2011 15:20:47    1050890

Rory o Carroll gets an all star nom yet doesn't get a nom for young player of the year, James mccarty doesn't get an all star nom yet he gets a nom for young player of the year??????

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 12/10/2011 15:24:21    1050892

Cluxton,
MCGee, Marc O Se, Cian O Sullivan,
Lacey, Nolan, Killian Young,
Sheehan, Doyle
Brosnan, Brogan, Darran O Sullivan,
Colm Cooper, B Brogan, Mc Fadden

Haywood (Cavan) - Posts: 2 - 12/10/2011 15:27:14    1050895

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 654

1050892 Rory o Carroll gets an all star nom yet doesn't get a nom for young player of the year, James mccarty doesn't get an all star nom yet he gets a nom for young player of the year??????

Yeah typical anti-dub.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12358 - 12/10/2011 15:33:22    1050902