Whether he's a prolific scorer/natural forward or not Moran is quality at full-forward. He wins pretty much every ball that comes his way and lays it off to the scorers (but he is able to take scores himself don't forget). He is a serious target man. They only really found out he could play there this season. Yes he played wing back a couple of years ago and a good job he did IMO. That just shows how versatile he is. You can't compare him to the Gooch. He is a totally different type of footballer.

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 25/10/2011 17:26:36    1058505

changing to sligo.............

Andy Moran probably got his all star based on his performance against cork more than against kerry...........he was very good against kerry but awesome against cork, shields is probably still dizzy after it!!!!!!!!

mayoman007 (Mayo) - Posts: 159 - 25/10/2011 18:24:16    1058541

Fair point about the 2 games for the all star, some of the 96 team deserved it more though and didn't collect. And you're right about gooch being a totally different player....he's probably the best forward to ever play the game, he wins his own ball, torments defences, sets up others and scores for fun from play and frees. He's exactly what an all star full forward line player should be!!

changingtosligo (Mayo) - Posts: 75 - 26/10/2011 12:14:57    1058788

I think the full-back position this year was a seriously tough call. Both Neil McGee of Donegal and Rory O'Carroll of Dublin were really outstanding. But I think McGee shaded it for being simply unplayable. He simply had all of his opponents through the year marked impeccably. Wonderful player. Hard luck O'Carroll who is a class act too.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1416 - 26/10/2011 17:00:06    1059000

Remind me again donegal abroad who got man of the match in the dublin donegal match this year?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/10/2011 18:30:19    1059099

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And you're right about gooch being a totally different player....he's probably the best forward to ever play the game, he wins his own ball, torments defences, sets up others and scores for fun from play and frees. He's exactly what an all star full forward line player should be!!
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Yeah and Gooch got his All-Star, in the Right-Corner-Forward slot. Do you think he should get all the Awards or what?? Gooch was the best Right-Corner-Forward, B.Brogan was the best Left-Corner-Forward and Andy Moran was the best Full-Forward. What's your problem with that?

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 26/10/2011 19:22:41    1059139

Remind me again donegal abroad who got man of the match in the dublin donegal match this year?

One swallow doesnt make a summer. All stars are over a whole season and while i dont doubt O'Carrolls quality and performances, i think McGee was slightly better over the year. O'Carroll will win all stars before too long dont worry about that

argael (Donegal) - Posts: 133 - 27/10/2011 09:52:06    1059309

I'm not on about that, donegal abroad said mcghee was unplayable this year and I'm just reminding him who got motm in the semi.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 27/10/2011 11:01:04    1059336

Ok killer one last question for you....name one game this year that andy moran wore number 14? when you say Brogan and Cooper were the best in the position that they played all year you're right. andy was wing forward, centre forward, corner forward in a 2 man...but never full. Therefore he wasn't the best full forward because he never played there. I hate arguing with kids.

changingtosligo (Mayo) - Posts: 75 - 27/10/2011 12:17:25    1059374

changingtosligo, you clearly know very little about it if you think Andy Moran never played full-forward this year. It's pretty obvious nowadays that the number on a players back means nothing. Players are often named at say number 11 but end up playing number 14. Andy played in or around 50% of our games this year at Full-Forward, and it was when he played at 14 that people sat up and took notice. I'm aware that he was never named at number 14 but how does that mean he never played there? I hate arguing with wums.

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 27/10/2011 14:38:51    1059468

So he only played there half of the time...it was less than that.
Bernard Brogan, Declan O'Sullivan, Kieran Donaghy, Paddy Bradley, Stephen O'Neill, Enda Muldoon, Peter Canavan, Ollie Murphy and Pádraic Joyce...the list of former full forward (no. 14) all stars. Do you really believe Andy Moran with 11 points in the championship (6 against London!!) deserves to be on that list?? My opinion is that he doesn't, I'll leave it at that.

changingtosligo (Mayo) - Posts: 75 - 27/10/2011 15:24:18    1059524

Well I'm glad you're not on the selection committee. Why should the Full-Forward slot just go to the highest scorer? There are other aspects of playing Full-Forward than scoring and if you don't see that then you don't know a lot. Andy Moran was the name on all the pundits lips when it came to the All-Stars. He was one of the standout players this season and thoroughly deserved his All-Star simple as. A Sligo supporter trying to take away from his achievement is just plain bitter, grow up.

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 27/10/2011 15:33:31    1059531

I've been shouting on Mayo for a very long time...the name I use was because of negative tactics such as 7 backs against London. That's not the Mayo way. I wasn't campaigning for the highest scorer, but how can you say the main job of a full forward isn't scoring. I understand workrate and team ethic are a part of it but 5 points from 4 big games is a bad return. Negative football is ruining Gaa...can you imagine P Joyce (my favourite) coming off after a match saying "i didn't score but I put in some great tackles and some lovely passes"....never.
But we'll agree moran's a very good player

changingtosligo (Mayo) - Posts: 75 - 27/10/2011 16:07:02    1059557

Fine, I'm bored with this argument at this stage. Obviously scoring is a big part of playing Full-Forward but it's not the be all and end all. Moran has showed you don't have to be a big scorer to be an effective No.14. Sin é?

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 27/10/2011 17:42:30    1059643

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1057019 Ok so when the gooch ran amok against Mayo it was class but when connolly runs amok the other team are no good and he got to much space. Yet we bet tyrone by 7 kerry bet Mayo by 9. Something doesn't add up

Hang on now comparing the Gooch and Connolly is not a fair comparison, Gooch has been consistantly brilliant for years, Connolly has yet to be consistant for one year. As I say I not knocking the chap and he may yet develop into a top class forward but this year he gave only one good display which was greatly aided by the poorness of the opposing defence, his subsequent performances against Donegal and Kerry back this up, sorry I just don't think he was worthy of consideration based on his overall year.

first off i dont think connolly should have got the all star ok i believe moran was the man for full forwrd and deserved it,
secondly an all star is not an award for the best player playing football in that position over an amount of years as you refer to with cooper and connolly,an all star is the best player in that position for that 1 year,now he has every rite to compare connolly with cooper as on everybodys analysis here both players had 1 good game this year connolly against tyrone and cooper against mayo so how does cooper deserve an all star for corner forward off the same journalists who said he was having a bad year before the mayo game and yet connolly shouldnt have even been nominated in your opinion for doing the same thing?

You totally misrepresent me here, I was in no way stating that an allstar is anything but an award for the performance over one year and I was speaking in general terms in regard to comparing Cooper and Connelly which I still regard as a nonsense to even begin to compare them as footballers yet. Cooper had a pretty good All Ireland final in my opinion and done more work against Cork than he was credited for so he had far more impact than just the one game as you suggest. Again I state that I am not knocking Dublin or Connolly just giving my opinion, and contrary to what another scribe suggested in an earlier post just because you don't agree with the sentiments of Dublin supporters regarding Connolly it does not mean you are any less informed about gaelic football.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 27/10/2011 21:38:32    1059803

Still can't believe rory o Carroll didn't get an all star.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/10/2011 19:27:23    1060711

Richieq

You totally misrepresent me here, I was in no way stating that an allstar is anything but an award for the performance over one year and I was speaking in general terms in regard to comparing Cooper and Connelly which I still regard as a nonsense to even begin to compare them as footballers yet. Cooper had a pretty good All Ireland final in my opinion and done more work against Cork than he was credited for so he had far more impact than just the one game as you suggest. Again I state that I am not knocking Dublin or Connolly just giving my opinion, and contrary to what another scribe suggested in an earlier post just because you don't agree with the sentiments of Dublin supporters regarding Connolly it does not mean you are any less informed about gaelic football.

just less informed about dublin gaa id guess

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 30/10/2011 21:24:56    1060808

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1060808 Richieq

You totally misrepresent me here, I was in no way stating that an allstar is anything but an award for the performance over one year and I was speaking in general terms in regard to comparing Cooper and Connelly which I still regard as a nonsense to even begin to compare them as footballers yet. Cooper had a pretty good All Ireland final in my opinion and done more work against Cork than he was credited for so he had far more impact than just the one game as you suggest. Again I state that I am not knocking Dublin or Connolly just giving my opinion, and contrary to what another scribe suggested in an earlier post just because you don't agree with the sentiments of Dublin supporters regarding Connolly it does not mean you are any less informed about gaelic football.

just less informed about dublin gaa id guess

I attend Dublin club championship and league matches in both hurling and football with many Dublin friends when I can as I enjoy the games and the banter so I am as well informed, if not better, than some others.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 31/10/2011 22:00:33    1061239

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but richie nobody is comparing them as footballers just comparing them on this season alone and the fact is you believe cooper deserved his allstar and think connolly should not have been mentioned thats why i made the point.

i dont think neither should have got an all star this year thats my point but on this years performances i thaught connolly realy had his best year in dublin jersey as he nailed down his position in the league and had a realy good league campaign scoring some great goals and a hat trick against mayo,was dublins best player in the league final till went off injured and only for laois keeper in the championship opener he could have had 4 goals instead of one had a great game against tyrone and not in a scorong sense agaianst kerry but in terms of his contribuation was vital in the last 10 minutes as he was involved in holding onto posession and and creating scores so i thaught he had very good year but as i say i thaught moran deserved full forwrd as he was definatly mayos stand out player like bernard brogan was for dublin last year

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/11/2011 10:48:41    1061296