to say that britain pumps money into derry, antrim, down, fermanagh, armagh and tyrone because of some poetic justice is very naive. britain doesnt care about anyone on this island (all 32 counties), they have been saying for years there's no economic reason for them to be here. and just because the other 26 cant afford to have 6 more isnt stopping them from leaving either. they will hand the 6 back at the blink of an eye, and not worry if the 26 can afford us or not. this will happen when more people want it than dont. its that simple

Pig.ignorant - (I hate calling you that BTW) I'd say we are probably in agreement in a lot of ways. Everyone knows that the present situation is
costing the British Gov. a fortune.They took over forcibly and now it is a mill-stone around their necks. They are stuck with it and if that isn't
poetic justice I don't know what is.

To say that a united Ireland will happen when more people want it than don't might be over-simplistic. More people might want it in theory
but I would again refer back to harsh economic reality. Would you rather be employed in the North as it is today or be on the dole (for years maybe)
in a united Ireland? I think most people with families to support and morgages to pay who are employed in the North would opt to keep their jobs.

RAM85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 978 - 23/09/2011 09:55:02    1040778

Who says any new 32 county socialist republic will have to burden the debts of the corrupt regimes of the past? Who says the new republic would save the banks over its people?

All this talk based around what is a failed state, miserably as it tried to be one of the popular kids in the class, instead they where the dunce corruptors/gangsters who gave peanuts to their monkeys while they took the last pennies that everyone shared and spent them on something stupid!

North Side Gael (None) - Posts: 1076 - 23/09/2011 16:41:59    1041122

The reality lads is that this small Island has played Host to Two failed States that have been Governed by successive corrupt administrations and Ireland deserves and will be rewarded with one honest and peoples Government.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/09/2011 17:47:34    1041175

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2793

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The reality lads is that this small Island has played Host to Two failed States that have been Governed by successive corrupt administrations and Ireland deserves and will be rewarded with one honest and peoples Government.

thats what I was trying to say in a nutshell. You Derrymen are actually alright. Marty does great work round our way.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 23/09/2011 18:24:42    1041198

Thank you che.
I have previously made this point in other threads. I do feel that the partioning of Ireland seperated not only the six from the 32 but also seperated the opposing Talents of two traditions where in normal democracys each keeps the other honest. Lets face it the republic never had a Political divide Fine Gael and Fianna fail are both one and the same, there was no real opposition regardless of who was in power. And in the north you had the exact same situation except that opposition was gerrrymandered away. The only party that could or would offer a balanced opposition either refused to take part in democracy or was banned from taking part and now when they are attempting to take part, and banning them will be seen for what it is, the establishment in the republic are in hysteria and their lackeys in the media are leading the charge against democracy.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/09/2011 21:48:15    1041331

What is a Lackey?

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 25/09/2011 11:45:43    1041687

Lackey is typically used as a derogatory term for a servant with little or no self-respect, who belittles themselves in order to gain advantage.[2] Such advantage is often assumed to be slight, temporary and often illusory. For common verb usage see Toady and Henchman.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 25/09/2011 14:54:42    1041788

This delusion would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. We were born under British rule, we live under British rule and we'll die under British rule. Sinn Fein have well and truly pulled the wool over the eyes of their electorate who follow them like lemmings. In a grudging way I actually respect that

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 25/09/2011 15:09:29    1041796

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2813

1041788
Lackey is typically used as a derogatory term for a servant with little or no self-respect, who belittles themselves in order to gain advantage.[2] Such advantage is often assumed to be slight, temporary and often illusory. For common verb usage see Toady and Henchman.

You could have just said pplocal.....

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 25/09/2011 15:18:55    1041805

So PP you feel that the two state concept has served Ireland well. Perhaps it should be pointed out to you that large portions of the world populace were once born under British rule (or more apt Misrule) that number has diminished rapidly and the vast majority have succeeded in throwing of the shackles of the empire and one day their last colony will also succeed.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 25/09/2011 15:24:36    1041809

I'm not in the media though Sergeant. Try to keep up

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 25/09/2011 15:25:20    1041811

RAM85
County: Westmeath
Posts: 954

1040778 to say that britain pumps money into derry, antrim, down, fermanagh, armagh and tyrone because of some poetic justice is very naive. britain doesnt care about anyone on this island (all 32 counties), they have been saying for years there's no economic reason for them to be here. and just because the other 26 cant afford to have 6 more isnt stopping them from leaving either. they will hand the 6 back at the blink of an eye, and not worry if the 26 can afford us or not. this will happen when more people want it than dont. its that simple

Pig.ignorant - (I hate calling you that BTW) I'd say we are probably in agreement in a lot of ways. Everyone knows that the present situation is costing the British Gov. a fortune.They took over forcibly and now it is a mill-stone around their necks. They are stuck with it and if that isn't poetic justice I don't know what is.

To say that a united Ireland will happen when more people want it than don't might be over-simplistic. More people might want it in theory but I would again refer back to harsh economic reality. Would you rather be employed in the North as it is today or be on the dole (for years maybe) in a united Ireland? I think most people with families to support and morgages to pay who are employed in the North would opt to keep their jobs.

to answer you question ram, id rather be unemployed and in a 32 county ireland than employed in a divided soceity. the depth of feeling i have for my country goes way beyond money.

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 26/09/2011 11:08:49    1042126

This delusion would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. We were born under British rule, we live under British rule and we'll die under British rule

It's coming, slowly but surely and gathering pace. May as well get used to it.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 26/09/2011 11:59:26    1042166

Senator Martin McAleese has recently arranged visas for former UDA men to go to America. Gusty Spence, the founder of the modern UVF, who recently passed away, was described by all an sundry as an Ulster Irishman. People from the working class loyalist area of The Village in Belfast are also apparently delighted to be moving into the west Belfast ward in the 2013 boundary changes. Its moving towards a united Ireland and things will step up a gear in 2016. telling you.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 26/09/2011 12:59:43    1042219

On the contrary I feel that this shows we are as far away as a United Ireland as we ever were. The fact some Unionists are becoming less cautious about all things Irish is because they are not afraid any more, they know the War is over and simply put they have won. Anyone who can view Politics in N.I. with an open mind can see Sinn Fein have everything they have ever wanted and have given up on re-unification for their own personal gain. Who cares anyway, we're now treated as equal citizens so let's make the best of what we've got because it isn't going to change in centuries

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 26/09/2011 13:32:31    1042242

Considering the the men of 1916 were spat on as they were led away all those years ago- i think it would be befitting perhaps if we could do the same to the SF mob 100 years on. shame its never going to happen, but hey lads sure belt away with a few week of propaganda and then celebrate another epic failure after the count- i mean even FF are laughing at SF- that says it all, and what makes me most happy is we will always be laughing at SF/IRA

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 27/09/2011 14:06:48    1042872

liathroidboy
County: Mayo
Posts: 4694

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Considering the the men of 1916 were spat on as they were led away all those years ago- i think it would be befitting perhaps if we could do the same to the SF mob 100 years on. shame its never going to happen, but hey lads sure belt away with a few week of propaganda and then celebrate another epic failure after the count- i mean even FF are laughing at SF- that says it all, and what makes me most happy is we will always be laughing at SF/IRA
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You truly are an idiot.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 27/09/2011 15:25:59    1042921

Seanie I have not read his post but I know that anyway.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 27/09/2011 20:21:57    1043093

personal insults seanie - ouch the hurt, but i have come to expect that from you kind. you are not capable of dealing with reality so you go insulting people. everything i have said is 100% factually true, your only problem like all your fellow terrorist supporters is you dont like to hear the truth, run along there and tell us about bloody sunday or some irrelevant huingers strikers or unarmed SF/ IRA volunteers there and try to play the victim card... 40 years of fooling no one, oh i love how this has backfired badly on the SF mob.

The definition of a lacky is Jerry Adams and Martin McGuinness- hate the crown so much they spend their entire lives working for the Queen. Alas the difference between us irish people and the nationalists in northern ireland - we are not stupid people and propaganda doesnt work on us. ye are not victims never were and the IRA never had a mandate and everyone in the IRA and their supporters and SF members and supporters are complete and utter...

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 28/09/2011 10:08:01    1043187

Administrator,

Will you please remind Liathroidboy on the rules of this forum with making defamatory remarks
about nationalists in Northern Ireland its getting beyond a sick joke. You must have rules that
everyone obeys.
It would be a very sad day if he annoyed somebody that much that they would get a very clever
person with computers to hack into his account and oust him on other message boards?.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 28/09/2011 17:05:32    1043526