Sean T O Kelly waa in the IRA and was Chief of Staff - became President, De Velera was in the IRA. In the late '60's and early '70's one Frank Aiken was number 2 in Fianna Fail , and was considered a presidential potential, - he had carried out many a 'attack' in the IRA after partition....

the problem with Marty is that he makes many uncomfortable - the idea that SF could be acceptable - a part who work for the people and not lining their own pockets
i didn't hear joe duffy or gay byrne critise marty when he accepted the good friday agreement and entered stormont....... Gay couldn't stand and wouldn't stand..

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 22/09/2011 20:38:38    1040682

Real Kerry Fan is correct

There were many in the media especially the sunday independant who attacked Mary Mcalease. These same journalists also attacked John Hume ( riddaculed him) for the Hume -Adam talks.
Most would agree that John Hume is one of the greatest leader this island ever produced but many in the dublin media strongly attacked him..... this nearly drove the man to meltdown..

certain people in the media have very warpped agendas

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 22/09/2011 20:45:06    1040687

Had to laugh, while reading this thread, had the iPod on shuffle in the background, and what came on, Roy Orbinson, "Running Scared". How apt.

Oderint Dum Metuant. :)

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1073 - 22/09/2011 21:30:47    1040731

It seems that elements in the media believe that democracy is something to be forced upon those with whom they disagree, A little like the western powers in the middle East. They are actually saying to Sinn Fein and their supporters " stand back there now say nothing do nothing and we will tell you what you are going to get" Unfortunately that attidude from a different source brought us to the conflict of the late 20th century.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2011 21:34:22    1040734

Martin mcguinness denied today that he was ever responsible,directly or indirectly for anyones death while he was a chief in the Ira. So he is still telling bare face lies to us yet we are meant to move on?

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 22/09/2011 21:43:13    1040743

And you know this is lies because___________!

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2011 21:48:59    1040746

In a text poll run by the radio station, Cork 96FM, this morning, Mr McGuinness emerged with 61% support, followed by David Norris on 15%. All other candidates came in on single figures.

It appears that not everyone is as obsessed with Martins past as the media would wish us to believe.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2011 21:54:17    1040750

Brilliant Derryman.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 22/09/2011 21:55:56    1040751

I know I am brilliant but it would do my ego a world of good if you would elaborate why you also believe it.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2011 22:00:42    1040755

Listen we all know he had a role to play in the Ira, i can accept that. But I cannot move on when he and his party leader wash their hands of any atrocities. Take full responsibility for your actions then we can try and forgive and forget.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 23/09/2011 08:35:44    1040759

And just a point on the Cork poll, i would expect him to be strong in Cork, Donegal, and Louth based on the latest elections.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 23/09/2011 08:39:05    1040761

Derryman is totally right here johnny.. There is no proof that maguinness has blood on his hands and he denys any so thats that really.

What is it with mayo posters on this site? they are head and shoulders above the rest as regards anti republicanism and anti all things north and seem to have some sympathy with unionist voters.. i cant get it really..

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 23/09/2011 09:01:11    1040765

jonny. I will try again. If covering up mass murder is not a crime well what is?

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 23/09/2011 09:25:41    1040770

Look Brolly it is not as simple as that, he is lying to our faces pure and simple. A

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 23/09/2011 10:00:20    1040782

Look Brolly it is not as simple as that, he is lying to our faces pure and simple. Most of the Mayo lads on here are Wums so sorry if you are including me with them on the basis of this topic. You know as well as I do that he was involved.. but if you want to play the dumb card that's fine. As the families of the victims are saying , ho w can we forgive and forget when we don't know what for?? And Kerryman I will be voting independent as I usually do so what are you on about? Stick to the point of the topic. I wouldn't vote FG or FF anyway.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 23/09/2011 10:05:28    1040785

By the way Brolly, i have a house in Omagh and work in Sion Mills and Stabane for 2 weeks of the month so don't rabbit on to me about being anti north good lad. I usually wouldn't post about where I live and work but I feel so strongly about this topic and would not want to be accused of being out of touch with the north.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 23/09/2011 10:11:00    1040788

Fair enough johnny and you're totally entitled to your opinion - your fellow county men dont do your decent posters any good however.

I can see what you are saying but the man has answered questions and that is that. Every politician i know is a liar anyways - as is martys competition. He's still the best candidate on offer but the people of country will decide i suppose.

If the unionist people of NI can live under his shared government after all that has happened - why cant the people of ireland move on and elect the man as president? He is a modern day de valera after all - only the latter was also involved in a disgusting civil war which nobody like to talk about.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 23/09/2011 14:54:56    1041023

jonny1951
County: Mayo
Posts: 893

1040759
Listen we all know he had a role to play in the Ira, i can accept that. But I cannot move on when he and his party leader wash their hands of any atrocities. Take full responsibility for your actions then we can try and forgive and forget.

I believe, although I may be wrong, that sinn fein are the party pushing a truth commission at which all sides in the conflict including the British state come clean. I think Martin is on record as saying he will disclose all his past to such a body. And maybe a few in this state may come clean about the Monaghan and Dublin bombings. . There is a massive fear among the clique who control a large part of the media about the rise of Sinn Fein. What this country badly needs is a strong opposition based on traditional republican principals and not the tweedle de tweedle dum of recent times.
The unionists are moving on, although many of them suffered terribly during the conflict, but the chattering classes in this country can't bear the thought of a working class guy, who is respected across the world political stage and who will use his position to bring investment to the whole island of Ireland, becoming president.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 23/09/2011 15:11:33    1041041

jonny1951
County: Mayo
Posts: 893

1040759 Listen we all know he had a role to play in the Ira, i can accept that. But I cannot move on when he and his party leader wash their hands of any atrocities. Take full responsibility for your actions then we can try and forgive and forget.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/peace/docs/ira160702.htm

Please take a read at this and acknowledge as many have that the Republican movement has accepted responsibility for its actions and apologised where necessary. Although it is taking them a bit longer the British are finally getting there as well.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 23/09/2011 15:37:55    1041056

The battle lines are drawn. RTE AND THE INDO have an agenda against Mc GUINNESS. Typical hypocrasy. Both are fullsome in their praise of David Norris who has in the past tried to justify a sexual relationship between young teenage men and adult gay males. Everyone knows about THE INFAMOUS letter.[REDUCED NOW TO A MERE ERROR OF JUDGEMENT] It actually only involved a rape without consent!!!. If any priest said the things Norris has said it would be a matter for another presumptious PRIME TIME SPECIAL and a hounding from the INDO. Joe Duffy really needs sorting out. He wa President of U.S.I.T[Union of students in Ireland] at which time U.S.I.T unanimously supported the hunger strikers. He needs a little retrospective reminding of causes he once clearly espoused. It took footsoldier students like myself to force a boycott of a certain concrete company which had abused workers.Duffy no where to be seen as the company were Dubs .Also in the boycott of Dunne stores in HENRY STREET he didnt stand with his student brethern

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 23/09/2011 16:13:48    1041094