n the 2003 invasion of Iraq by a United States-led coalition, the U.S. military developed a set of playing cards to help troops identify the most-wanted members of President Saddam Hussein's government, mostly high-ranking Baath Party members or members of the

now if we start with those in the West Guilty of War Crimes King of Hearts OBAMA Commander in Chief Queen of Hearts ELIZABETH REGINA because she is the Commander in Chief of the British Army Joker George W Bush self explanatory ....

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 21/09/2011 20:50:26    1040013

"In Winston Churchill has died the greatest Englishman of his time, full of years and honour. The days when his shoulders held up the sky are still fresh in the minds of all but the young; and then he served and saved not his own countrymen only but the whole free world."

http://century.guardian.co.uk/1960-1969/Story/0,,105637,00.html

"Churchill was particularly keen on chemical weapons, suggesting they be used "against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment". He dismissed objections as "unreasonable". "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes _ [to] spread a lively terror _" In today's terms, "the Arab" needed to be shocked and awed. A good gassing might well do the job"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.arts

Benandonner (Antrim) - Posts: 459 - 21/09/2011 21:03:45    1040031

I see no one is addressing the point that the leader of the party has lied to us for years therefore how can we move on? And you can rattle on about america all you want but I don't and never will see a comparison. Please do not bring the US into this argument. I didn't care whether the queen came or not but Mcguinness and his party are changing their views just to suit this election.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 21/09/2011 21:17:43    1040052

I am no supporter of SF, far from it, but the fact that McGuinnesses candidacy has evoked so much ire from the media and establishment means that he is obviously doing something right. I would be more worried were SF attracting positive press from such luminaries as Mr O'Toole here, its opened up a debate that will have even more far reaching implications for the state than simply the holder of a meaningless ceremonial position.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/09/2011 21:20:13    1040059

Johnny 1951
This will be a secret ballot you know you can vote for anyone you wish even Martin. And so you think Gerry Adams is lying. Never heard of politicians lying cant be true.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 21/09/2011 21:22:58    1040063

jonny1951
County: Mayo
Posts: 879

1040052 I see no one is addressing the point that the leader of the party has lied to us for years therefore how can we move on? And you can rattle on about america all you want but I don't and never will see a comparison. Please do not bring the US into this argument. I didn't care whether the queen came or not but Mcguinness and his party are changing their views just to suit this election.
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You not used to your leaders lying to you then jonny?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/09/2011 21:23:42    1040064

jonny1951
County: Mayo
Posts: 879

886469 TO CELEBRATE Queen Elizabeth's forthcoming visit, The Irish Times brings you this commemorative souvenir guide to rebutting republican whinges. Funny stuff.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0309/1224291667802.html?via=mr


So this is not caring about the queen coming. You started the thread too. Seems lying is not the preserve of politicians.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 21/09/2011 21:29:06    1040075

Goodman derryman the article nor the words above it are not my words,i simply posted it, is that ok? And yes I am aware of politicians lying all the time but when the leader of a party lies about his involvement in murders of civilians in my country I tend to get a little annoyed,especially when his second in command are running for president.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 21/09/2011 21:41:03    1040090

SF represent a significant threat to career politicians and their media mouth pieces. What these elitists fail to realise is that most people will no longer swallow their BS. I noted yesterday that after a Joe Duffy show dedicated to condemning Martin McGuinness (all pretence of impartiality was thrown aside), it was infact McGuinness who topped a 10 minute listener poll for President !

The politicos in the south are very afraid so expect the anti McGuinness campaign to crank up a few gears. RTE will no doubt have the O'Tooles and McDowell's of this island on their shows for some weeks, trying to convince us that electing the Deputy First Minister, Mid Ulster MP & MLA will spell the end of democracy in the republic !!

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 21/09/2011 21:44:41    1040092

Liveline eh? Text poll? Wow.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 21/09/2011 21:53:18    1040102

About time we voted someone in to a high roll in our country that genuinely has the interests of the people at heart.

Sick of seeing pukes and glory hunters at the high end of politics.

No disrespect to mary mcaleese though who was a great president - its the other numpdees im on about.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 22/09/2011 08:55:20    1040120

And by bringing Bush, Obama and the queen into this are ye basically admitting that McGuinness is a war criminal or what?

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 22/09/2011 10:15:21    1040164

About time we voted someone in to a high roll in our country that genuinely has the interests of the people at heart.

Sick of seeing pukes and glory hunters at the high end of politics.

No disrespect to mary mcaleese though who was a great president - its the other numpdees im on about.

Brolly in all fairness how has Martin Mc Guinness the interests of all the people of this country at heart, Martin Mc Guinness represents Sinn Fein and their supporters and lets be honest here , he is hoping to get into the Aras so that he can strengthen Sinn Fein's foothold even further in the South. This is all an entirely political move, like it or not Sinn Fein are on the rise down here, so Mc Guinness becoming President will be the icing on the cake for the Shinners. Personally I hope he doesn't win the Presidency, unfortunately I am old enough to remember all of the atrocities that he was heavily involved in, and while I and a lot of people have warmed to him since he became the Deputy First Minister, outbursts like his 'West Brit' comment on Tuesday show that he is still nowhere near fit enough to represent this country as President.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 22/09/2011 10:25:27    1040165

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 4267

1039910 Can the MOD's not keep ballboy on a permanent suspended sentence? There is real panic in WestBritland where there are frantic attempts and dirty tricks going on from the Unionist D4 crowd regarding McGuinness. Furthermore their selective use of some victims for political purposes is absolutely appalling. The 26 county media and political establishment have NEVER given a fig for most of the victims of the Troubles ESPECIALLY the dozens of innocent men, women, children and babies murdered in Dublin and Monaghan by Britain and it's Loyalist satellite murder gangs. Ask the Dublin/Monaghan families about the Southern media and politicans and they will tell you they have been forgotten and brushed aside by them and seen as an embarrassment. Likewise the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and Bloody Sunday families had to fight tooth and nail to get this same Establishment to publicise their grievances. They did the same with Gerry Adams in Louth but the electorate seen through this. The only time the national Dublin media wheel out victims is to politically disrupt Republicans because most of them have no genuine feelings for the people who have suffered. I have NEVER heard this crowd demand that Britain be brought to task for their war crimes and human rights abuses in Ireland some of which were published above and the British Queen was feted and fawned over by these same people; the hypocrisy is nauseating and Nationalist and Republican Ireland seeths at the double standards. I hope Martin McGuinness does well and the sight of him taking the salute on the 100th Anniversary of the 1916 uprising would be something else; the WestBrits would all jump off O'Connell Bridge and that would be a worthy sight for many of us

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are advocating permanent internment?????? tut tut i thought that goes against everything republicans stand for, but again you talk with one foot in your mouth.

'The only time the national Dublin media wheel out victims is to politically disrupt Republicans because most of them have no genuine feelings for the people who have suffered' That is exactly what we are on about the thousands of people who have being murders by those who you support

Please keep up the propaganda and the insults- this isnt northern ireland, insulting people does not go unnoticed. Please continue as you are doing a great job of losing McGuinness votes every time you post, and that dream of a unitd ireland is fading into the distance as we will not be insulted into sympathy for terrorists and their supporters. to sum up SF are running for the hills on this one and there is more chance of dana getting elected that McGuinness :D on the 1916 commemorations all SF will be doing is celebrating their complete and epic failures at everything they do

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 22/09/2011 10:41:10    1040176

Trixy
County: Mayo
Posts: 657

1039923 GO ON ULSTERMAN GO ON ULSTERMAN ball boy is just a media loving luvvie,thinks he trendy "NEW IRELANDER". Ball boy is emotionally attached to the dubious intellegentia and pseudo intellectuals of Dublin 4,R.T.E and the West Brits of Castlebar. Ball Boy ghost writes THE DECLAN LYNCH CHRONICLES every week.!!

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no fear of you ghost writing any time soon. go on on tell us how long that masterpiece took you, as i have said before and ill say it again, the SF mob cannot insult their way into power, this isnt northern ireland boys and girls a vote is not guarnteed based on a religion, i doubt SF have the intelligence to know this

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 22/09/2011 10:43:53    1040180

i love all this nonsense 'yea but look what the brits did' we actually couldnt care less, the british government is not asking up to forgive and forget and vote them in, SF/IRA are asking us to do it, so it can be made out to be media, west brit blah blah blah, the issue still remain that SF/IRA want to be elected and therefore SF/IRA will be questioned- we arent really to bothered what anyone else done as they are not in the running for the Aras. And folks please pulling Eamon Dunphy out is really the last straw for SF- i mean if people are relying on Eamon Dunphy well then it truly is a lost cause. another heroic failure in the offing for SF and instead of damage limitation to try to protect a few viotes what to they do, revert to form and insult the only people who have a vote- ya really couldnt make it up!

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 22/09/2011 10:49:58    1040182

jonny1951
County: Mayo
Posts: 882

1040164 And by bringing Bush, Obama and the queen into this are ye basically admitting that McGuinness is a war criminal or what?

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brilliant sure wasnt one of them on about syria yesterday, theis campaign is over for SF before it evn got started, and what they aand all their supporters are doing in conirming everything we already knew, by calling ameriacn terrorists for killing innocent civiliant etc all they are doing is saying that SF/IRA are just as bad, justifying one wrong by saying somone else is at it too doesnt make it legitimate. well done to all those in the media and the public who will not let this man stand by.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 22/09/2011 10:55:49    1040187

ballb@g, do you realise how many times each day you contradict yourself on hs. read over you statements. and it was me yesterday that mentioned syria, and dont be calling me one of them, cause im not a shinner, never voted for them and more than likely wont

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 22/09/2011 11:19:38    1040202

sorry i said more than likely wont but with each one of you posts, i think i'm going more and more towards them. if i end up voting sf in the future ballb@g its your fault

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 22/09/2011 11:28:52    1040209

LIATH\OGALL\BBoy

Funny how you are always banging on how 'Nordies' don't\wont move on. Well it seems to me you are one stuck in the past. If the loyalist community and elements of the nationalist community can live with McGuiness being in Govt up there then why can't you handle the fact he might get a ' powerless' role down here? It's you that won't let go of the past

MOVE ON WILL YA!!

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 22/09/2011 11:43:19    1040227