Goodfella, Tir
County: All
Posts: 1331

Its in the constitution! I know the IRA never recognised the consititution of the Republic of Ireland which makes me wonder why Martin McGuinness is running for the President of the Republic of Ireland.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 28/09/2011 13:27:01    1043335

Absolutely Spyboy and in my eyes Ireland is the 32 counties, I am just able to recognise official law and goverments and seperate the 2 countries because thats what they are to a lot of people in the north and they don't want that to change.

jonny1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 1431 - 28/09/2011 13:30:59    1043338

if the presidency had anything to do with northern ireland then the people of northern ireland would have a vote. It cant be explained any easier than that... alas some people are still living in a dream land over all this in thinking that it concerns them. The fact that McGuiness knows nothing about the country he is looking to represent just shows how completely out of touch the SF mob are, but there is nothingnew in that! in the overall scheme of things the president is there to represent the people of the republic, wheras economically northern ireland are our competitors just like the rest of britian, but i suppose such common sense is wasted on alot of people on here

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 28/09/2011 13:32:38    1043341

To be fair Goodfella it does state that the President cannot leave the "state" without permission from the government so as much as it sticks in my throat to say it ... Paddy is correct.

spyboy i'm well aware what the law is. I'm just saying if Marty gets elected I hope they do tell him he cant enter the 6 counties. To be honest if they did they would completely play into Sinn Fein's hands, Paddy and a few others maybe havent grasped that point yet.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 28/09/2011 13:44:32    1043351

Goodfella, Tir
County: All
Posts: 1332

McGuinness has already recognised this fact! he is steadfast about not breaking the consititution of the Republic of Ireland (again) therefore accepting partition. Its fair to say that he already accepted partition given that he runs british administration in Northern Ireland

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 28/09/2011 14:08:26    1043372

paddy dont baffle themwith sense. Mc Guinness is the biggest partitionist on this island thats what mkes this all so funny, in the north they will continute to support him but in the south we simply are not so niave

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 28/09/2011 14:16:14    1043386

Ballbeg are still suing the IRA ?? How's that going for you then ... Good boy

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 28/09/2011 14:22:49    1043398

Finsceal
County: All
Posts: 91

1043398 Ballbeg are still suing the IRA ?? How's that going for you then ... Good boy

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no fortunately SF/IRA didnt murder any of my family so i have nothing to sue them from, but there are thousands who can legitimately sue and as soon as the money is handed out to the bloody sunday IRA members then its a free run on the IRA- Northern Bank notes anyone?

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 28/09/2011 14:29:33    1043406

Ball boy has it not already been proven to you on this thread that Sinn Fein can not be sued for the actions of the IRA.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/09/2011 14:35:03    1043414

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 2995

1043263
I won't say too much on this but all I will say is that it would be a very sad day for Ireland if a member of a terrorist organisation gets into the park. Members of SF/IRA should not be allowed anywhere near a ballot box, they should be in courts and prisons alright but nowhere else.

it already happened htaem.dev aka the long fella was both taoiseach and president.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 28/09/2011 14:53:33    1043426

McGuinness has already recognised this fact! he is steadfast about not breaking the consititution of the Republic of Ireland (again) therefore accepting partition. Its fair to say that he already accepted partition given that he runs british administration in Northern Ireland

Paddy, if McGuiness was elected I believe he would be delighted to be told that he is not allowed to enter the six counties. He would no doubt gracefully accept the situation so as to show the Irish people that he intends to uphold the constitution. At the same time he could make a very real and demonstratable point to many that the current government are avowed partitionists as have their predecessors been. It would be a win-win situation for him and would create even more publicity for Sinn Fein's all-Ireland aganda.

The reality is the government wouldnt do it as it would backfire on them and it would be crazy to stop McGuinness from being able to contribute to the growing peace process in the North.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 28/09/2011 14:56:59    1043429

Goodfella no-one is suggesting that McGuinness will actually be stopped from entering Northern Ireland. They were highlighting the fact that he must ask for permission, permission that of course will always be granted to him. Don't be stupid now

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 28/09/2011 19:20:08    1043580

and as soon as the money is handed out to the bloody sunday IRA members then its a free run on the IRA-


would u care to expand on this ballboy

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 28/09/2011 19:52:33    1043590

OLLIE

it already happened htaem.dev aka the long fella was both taoiseach and president.


I know it just goes to show how unbelievably stupid Irish voters are/were, but I suppose you couldn't really blame people for voting FF back in them days because Dev kept them uneducated and ignorant, oldest trick in the book.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 28/09/2011 20:12:00    1043598

All you knockers of mc Guiness with your rants about ex IRA members seeking office would do well to read your own History. I will give you a couple of names De Valera Needs no elaboration. Sean Le Mas (entered the Dail on his first day with a revolver in his pocket), Sean Mc Bride. Dan Breen ( who with his colleagues murderd Two fellow Irish men to start the war of Independence) and many more. You would also do well to read an article by Brian Feeny in the Irish news today where he points out that Fine Gael on two occasions put forward Sean Mc Eoin as a candidate for the presidency. " who ordered the killing of 23 year old Irish rugby player Phil Kelleher in 1920. Kelleher was an RIC man shot in the back after being captivated in conversation at a longford bar by none other than Kitty Kiernan Michael Collins Fiancee. Mc Eoin later ordered the killing of two protestants who Identified the gunman." The highlighted Blurb of this article reads If Mc Guiness were to win, the official description of Ireland Presented to the world over the last 40 Years would be exposed as a fraud manufactured for political expediency. The Title of the article "Hyopcrites' house of cards risk collapse ". I found to be very apt on reading some posts here. No doubt some of you will attempt to lecture me on The "OLD GOOD IRA" As opposed to the "RECENT BAD IRA". Well catch yourself on there never was a Good IRA old or recent both were bad, Very Bad. But unfortunately injustice is Violence and violence begets violence and the initial violence was visited upon these shores fom external sources. What the current republican leadership has done is what none of those mentioned above or anywhere else in Irelands History has been to by and large rid Ireland of the cycle of Violence. Martins success in this election will show to all who question the democratic process that it is working.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 28/09/2011 20:44:43    1043617

jonny1951
County: Mayo
Posts: 919

1043166 Nonsense Derryman and the fact that you seem to sympathise with republican terrorists says a lot. I don't differentiate between loyalist and republican paramilitary groups, they are all idiots.

What I do Johnny is support the only All Island Political party who actively work for peace on this Island. I have no embarrassment whatsoever in doing so. Every Political party on this Island have one way or another originated from paramilitary organisations. (indeed that might be true in many other countries as well). The point i was trying to make was that the percieved threat of Loyalist seems to be the determining factor for Irish and British policy in the occupied six. Having had the past 24 hours to think about it I am coming to the conclusion is that it was always of paramount consideration because they had the support of the british army then they had their very own armed police force and B Specials and UDR. However I believe that was in the past and any future rumblings of loyalist violence will not carry the threat it once did

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 28/09/2011 20:56:16    1043625

Htaem
County: Meath
Posts: 2999


I know it just goes to show how unbelievably stupid Irish voters are/were, but I suppose you couldn't really blame people for voting FF back in them days because Dev kept them uneducated and ignorant, oldest trick in the book .

Well tell me how come so many of you still seem to be so uneducated in your own History today surely that is not Devs Fault.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 28/09/2011 21:03:31    1043633

Derryman i'm sure there are one or two on this who would try blame Gerry and co for it.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/09/2011 21:11:18    1043637

Derryman is quick to throw insults when it suits him, if you don't agree with his specific opinions and beliefs you're uneducated or a quisling. The irony is this is a man who genuinely believes that, and I quote, 'it [unification] has been decided already and we are simply waiting for Sinn Fein to be ready to lead the nation to it'. Deluded isn't the word. Of course he's a hypocrite as well, on one thread he could be talking about how religious he is while on another praising and glorifying murderers. I've tried to engage him occasionally in debate but he refuses to respond to that so simply humour him as I genuinely think he believes what he says which I personally find quite tragic

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 28/09/2011 21:31:13    1043662

PP Feel free to pull a post and represent it, where I praised murderers or where I have spoken about how religious I am. You talk of debate but have made no attempt to refute one item in my Posts. Also you taken my "quote " out of context where I was in fact paraphrasing Patriques comments. But knowing you like I do you will insist on strawman arguments.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 28/09/2011 21:41:31    1043667