Gammy Knee and PP if you pair of lads can not look at this issue and apportion blame where it lies I am afraid any little bit of respect you may have had on this board will vanish with your crude attempts to tell us that this was the fault of the parents who I am sure with greatheart break had to make the decisions that were forced upon them. You can only adopt your stance for one of two reasons
1 you are either wums who like to be confrontational for no reason other than to be confrontational or
2 You are so badly informed you do not deserve to have an opinion on this matter.
I will leave it for you to decide because on my part I have found that beating your head on a brick wall only feels good when you stop.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 11/09/2011 14:46:50    1031691

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2688

1031691 Gammy Knee and PP if you pair of lads can not look at this issue and apportion blame where it lies I am afraid any little bit of respect you may have had on this board will vanish with your crude attempts to tell us that this was the fault of the parents who I am sure with greatheart break had to make the decisions that were forced upon them. You can only adopt your stance for one of two reasons
1 you are either wums who like to be confrontational for no reason other than to be confrontational or
2 You are so badly informed you do not deserve to have an opinion on this matter.
I will leave it for you to decide because on my part I have found that beating your head on a brick wall only feels good when you stop.


my opinion on this matter is different from yours but it's a big difference, the one aspect where my opinion differs from yours and that of a few other on here is i see both sides of the story whereas you and some others on here only see one side. i've said umpteen times in different posts and in different ways that the people who instigated the holy cross situation were sectarian psycho's, i've also said that the parents approach was wrong in my opinion, they didn't for one moment consider the well being of their children because if they did they wouldn't have subjected their children to fear, stress and danger morning and evening for weeks. your mindset however wont allow you to see this or accept that the parents have acted negligently with regard to their children's safety and overall well being. you clearly wont yield to the possibility of this being true, you have and agenda and you are sticking to it, is it any wonder situations such as holy cross arose when there are people just like you living among both side of the ni community.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 11/09/2011 15:47:44    1031727

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 1639

1031438 pplocal
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3839

1031186 'If a thug bullied you in an effort to perpetually humiliate you would you meekly back down and skulk in the back way.'

If I had a small child who would be in danger by my standing up to these bullies I most definitely would and I think all decent parents would as well. I hope you don't have kids is all I'll say

And in years to come your children would recognise you for the coward they have for a dad.


greengrass i feel sorry for you if you believe that your children or anyone else's children would see their dad as being a coward simply because they choose a different option rather than to go toe toe with some bully. you clearly have issues you need to sort out for youself before you start pontificating to others on here.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 11/09/2011 15:55:14    1031733

You know you have the better of them when they must resort to swearing and petty insults. Open your eyes and try to see the situation from a different perspective Derryman than that of the narrow minded Repuplican

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/09/2011 16:11:37    1031741

Well I am not a republican. But I do know from a simple cursory glance at history that faliure to oppose this intimidation head on and struggle for what is right is tantamount to accepting that you will remain in the place your antagoniser has deemed your proper place in his/her world. I have acknowledged the terrible choice that was forced upon the parents of these children and what you pair of boys are saying is that the parents must accept guilt because they were forced into a situation that was beyond their control. Had they accepted the bullies position how long do you think it would have taken for a similar blockade to happen elswhere. Was as said before Rosa Parkes and Nelson Mandela even Mahatma Ghandi also "narrow minded republicans" because they took a stand for what is right, I think not.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 11/09/2011 18:22:52    1031836

Yes, in time those Ardoyne residents will go down in history along Gandhi, Parks and Mandela. Jesus wept. We're going round in circles here so I'll reiterate my main point, for any parent the safety of their child should be their number 1 concern. It's easy to say it here but would you tell the parent of one of those children that they were a coward for taking their kid the safer route to school? I highly doubt it

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/09/2011 18:53:55    1031872

pplocal
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3849

1031741 You know you have the better of them when they must resort to swearing and petty insults. Open your eyes and try to see the situation from a different perspective Derryman than that of the narrow minded Repuplican

The only one you have convinced is yourself.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 11/09/2011 19:16:44    1031900

Right from the start the cops should have cleared the Ardoyne Road of the hate filled UDA crowd and their hangers on AND arrested many of the Loyalist residents who were screaming obscenities, abuse and threats; that would have made the route safer. The danger was that the so called authorities allowed these vermin so close to the kids and families and NOT that these people were going to scholl by that route; they always did. People should remember that the lower Shankill UDA were involved in interface pogroms and attacks right across Belfast at this time and the Holy Cross issue was a further attempt to inflict their sectarian violence on innocent Catholic schoolchildren. As I say pp and gammy don't know or want to know the facts.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 11/09/2011 19:17:20    1031901

So PP you need historians and commentators to tell you who to admire, you have to actually read a text book to see when someone is standing up for what is right. and you believe that only those people who are recognised in history are be capable of being brave in the face of extreme persecution and worthy of admiration . I am different I see little unrecognised people struggle daily for the greater good of mankind. And I would not tell those parents who chose a different route they were cowards they made a very hard choice also which should never have been forced upon them either. I would however tell those who chose to run the blockade that they were very brave and I admire them greatly. Because I know they would have antagonised over their decision constantly and their resolve in the face of such adversity is to be recommended and it would be fitting to recognise that no Parent was faced with an easy choice in this matter. From my own experience as a parent I can imagine that this put great stress upon the relationships of every set of parents involved I am sure that some parents whose children took the alternative route felt they were not showing solidarity as they perhaps could have while other parents whose children took the proper route felt that they were indeed putting their children at risk. Have you considered that had no parent and child took the bullies to task what the outcome might have been.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 11/09/2011 19:24:52    1031915

Again you're putting words in my mouth with that opening sentence. I'm all for the little people facing up to their daily struggles, in this case however these parents were not. I have no doubt that if they hadn't taken the bullies to task (by that you mean screaming at the protesters) the outcome would have been the same, the protest would have simply petered out as it did. As a parent would you yourself take a stand when it meant your child had to face that kind of abuse? Genuine question

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/09/2011 20:20:05    1032002