derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2675

1031223 So there we are according to PP and Gammy Knee and others the Victim is responsible for the actions of the abuser. We all know that if girls wore more suitable clothing then men would not be the horrible brutes they are. Where have we heard these kind of arguments before and from what kind of people?? Given my thoughts on the kind of people who offer these arguments as defence it is probably best that I dont say what I really think of tjem.

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Excellent comparison Derryman. If someone came on this forum and said 'of course I condemn rape, but I'm moving on to the secondary issue - why was the woman wearing a skirt ? why was the woman walking home alone ?' then I think that individual would be displaying a very worrying and a very horrid attitude. When you try to apportion blame to the innocent then this is the inevitable road you go down, you sanitise the crime and impose even more humiliation on the innocent victim. Definitely a more valid comparison than that of the Titanic's fate !

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 10/09/2011 17:13:21    1031275

Trixy
County: Mayo
Posts: 612

Caoimhín O THE TD I will invite to my next house party cos i do a world class impersonation of his accent and dialogue. Here is an excerpt from the text. "I am now a democratically ,unequivicolly, elected T.D for Cavan Monaghan having received a comprehensively visible and indeed tangible mandate from the people whom I now represent lucidly ,eloquently,and articulately.To this end I dropped the armalite and digested voraciously copious copies of the Oxford Dictionary. This has enabled me to a fuller and indeeed rich understanding of the "grave"issues submerging this green and pleasant land. Singularly and without contradiction or deviation I fully acknowledge after due and overdue consideration that these "graves" can at least be located.

Caoimhín is my local TD, but I'll say this, take a bow son, that was hilarious!

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 10/09/2011 17:15:55    1031277

My agenda was simply that the welfare of the children is the most important thing, for me their safety should be paramount. This is a view that the Loyalist protesters, posters on this board (including yourself) and some parents didn't share. You're keeping illustrious company there

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/09/2011 17:17:53    1031279

I think PP has a point here and I'd like to also say that black south africans should have turned the other cheek and look gone looking for attention like they did. Cheek of them. Say goes for anyone who looks for equality etc. I think most irish people would agree with PP that we should teach our kids to bend over backwards for a minority on this island, we should make sure they know that people are not born equal and you just have to put up with your lot. Certainly most gaels would say that confrontation is not desirable to the extent that it is preferable to be a second class citizen in your own land.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/09/2011 18:01:46    1031300

pp once again your attempt to disguise your agenda/s is transparent and you are shown for what you are. An apologist for years of discrimination and intimidation.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 10/09/2011 18:31:27    1031315

Only in the minds of bitter Republicans could you be an apologist for not wanting to see children get hurt. You are the staunch holier than thou Catholic Derryman, should we not be reaching out to our Unionists brothers rather than slinging mud at them? How you can reconcile your religious views with your political views is beyond me but I'm sure it works for you

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/09/2011 19:04:38    1031328

He's a serial wind up merchant derryman, someone with a sinister agenda or, as some suspect, nothing whatsoever to do with pomeroy, Tyrone or the GAA. I have NEVER heard anyone from the GAA, North or South, who had anything but contempt for the Loyalist knuckledraggers who terrorised those kids 10 years ago. Those peddling and defending the KKK/UDA line are the evil, bitter ones not me.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 10/09/2011 19:08:16    1031329

You are the staunch holier than thou Catholic Derryman, should we not be reaching out to our Unionists brothers

PP
I have never quite understood what staunch means so on that I cannot comment. I dont believe I am holier than anyone I am well aware of my own sinfulness. But you are right I do profess to be a catholic how good or otherwise I will leave for my God to decide. And yes I do hope to reach out to unionists and all others in this country and beyond. However telling the innocent that they are guilty and the guilty that the victims brought it upon themselves does not equate to reaching out. Not only is it wrong in fact it is wrong in reason as it simply gives licence to the wrong doer and perpetuates the wrong. Had the great authority the British Government (which you bend the knee to) spoken out and told the stormont government when they were creating the divide and playing upon the ignorance of those they proffessed to represent, that their policies were wrong then this Island might well have seen peace in the last 90 years.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 10/09/2011 19:55:35    1031370

It is strange I myself would never describe myself as republican i would not feel worthy of that description. I am very much just an ordinary spotlight dodger I am afraid.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 10/09/2011 20:02:10    1031380

Billy Hutchinson and David Irvine said round the time that they were ashamed to be protestants and ashamed to be unionists. Thankfully most unionists/protestants are embarassed by the Holy Cross incident and would openly say so. However it is unnerving that some, like pplocal, continue to look to blame the parents of the school children rather than focus on the baying hate filled mob who brought shame on their community in full glare of the international media.

shame on the people who attended the protest and shame on those who dont condemn the protestors vile actions.

TaL

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 10/09/2011 20:10:19    1031385

pplocal
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3839

1031186 'If a thug bullied you in an effort to perpetually humiliate you would you meekly back down and skulk in the back way.'

If I had a small child who would be in danger by my standing up to these bullies I most definitely would and I think all decent parents would as well. I hope you don't have kids is all I'll say

And in years to come your children would recognise you for the coward they have for a dad.Address the issue. The road was safe until the "protesters" chose to spit on small children. Had the parents of these children done as you say and skulked in the backway then where would be next for a "protest"? Where next would children have been spat on ? Feed a monster and it grows. The parents, contrary to your asssertions bear no responsibility for what happened.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 10/09/2011 20:58:02    1031438

pplocal
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3839

1031279 My agenda was simply that the welfare of the children is the most important thing, for me their safety should be paramount. This is a view that the Loyalist protesters, posters on this board (including yourself) and some parents didn't share. You're keeping illustrious company there

B******t. Your agenda was to declare that the parents were in some way partly responsible for what happened. Not only that you then said they "wanted to appear the victim". Spare us your risible nonsense about your concern for the childrens safety.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 10/09/2011 21:06:13    1031450

'And in years to come your children would recognise you for the coward they have for a dad.'

I'm sure these children, who could very easily still have nightmares or be affected by what they had to face, would be so proud that there dad wasn't a coward and put them through those awful scenes. I can't believe in the eyes of some people putting your children's safety first makes you a coward and an apologist. Personally I think it takes a better person to go against your human instinct which would be to confront these people and decide that your child shouldn't needlessly see such horrible scenes. As a side note having to resort to swearing doesn't do your argument any favours, if anything it makes it appear that you have nothing worthwhile to say

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/09/2011 21:30:49    1031484

Corrxxx
County: Kerry
Posts: 563

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seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2112

1031100 RAM85
County: Westmeath
Posts: 943

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Seanie-boy, someone from the other side of the fence could remind you about the "brave" people that
blew up the shopping centre in Manchester. Or were they freedom fighters?

This "victim tennis" is a waste of time.
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A typical unenlightened post from somebody who is clearly not good at the analogies.Had you said Shankill Rd,Portadown or Larne you might have drawn me in to an argument.Manchester is a city in England.The people involved in the Holy Cross dispute are all Belfast people.I suspect you mentioned Manchester as it sticks in your mind as bombs in England always got more media time than bombs or shootings in the north.The pro British media obviously did a good job on you.

Seanie Im not sure it matters who they were trying to blow up does it?
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seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/09/2011 21:45:39    1031502

pplocal
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3840

1031240
That's not what I'm saying at all Derryman but feel free to put words in my mouth if you're unable to debate reasonably
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The smartest thing you have ever said on here and it would make a welcome change from your good self continually putting your foot in your mouth.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 10/09/2011 21:50:13    1031507

YEAH DERRYMAN maybe I am a bit incoherent. Granted if it was my own children that were confronted by that mob my position would be expressed more candidly. Of course it was classic Unionist mob rule,the idea being to intimidate the next generation of Catholics. Still in the long run it didnt work. The unionist tradition and ethos of the lodges is old hat now. It finds expression on the 12TH and in Ibrox. Truth is their kind dont matter anymore. They are regarded in these islands and further a field in Europe as political lúdramáns. I also perform a very funny sketch called "Life in Kincora." One critic labelled it "a right pain in the butt". Another wrote "this play will hasten the evolution of galvinise underpants in Norn Iren". The star of the play is a burly character called "B Special
" the B pertaining to bottom. I wouldnt risk putting the script on this thread. The play will be coming to hall near u in the near future. No I dont use the word coming metaphorically!!

Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 10/09/2011 21:58:25    1031517

pplocal
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3843

1031484 'And in years to come your children would recognise you for the coward they have for a dad.'

I'm sure these children, who could very easily still have nightmares or be affected by what they had to face, would be so proud that there dad wasn't a coward and put them through those awful scenes. I can't believe in the eyes of some people putting your children's safety first makes you a coward and an apologist. Personally I think it takes a better person to go against your human instinct which would be to confront these people and decide that your child shouldn't needlessly see such horrible scenes. As a side note having to resort to swearing doesn't do your argument any favours, if anything it makes it appear that you have nothing worthwhile to say

You simply can't address the issue. Is that pure enough for you ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 11/09/2011 12:43:37    1031608

Trixy are you for real.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 11/09/2011 12:50:26    1031614

some of you are talking about the right of the children to walk the road the school without interference,and how their parents were standing up for that right. what about the childrens right to have their views respected, and to have their best interests considered at all times. how many of the children were forced down the road morning and evening completely stressed, hysterical and so full of fear simply because their parents decided that that was the best way and only way the situation can be sorted out.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 11/09/2011 14:00:19    1031662

'how many of the children were forced down the road morning and evening completely stressed, hysterical and so full of fear simply because their parents decided that that was the best way and only way the situation can be sorted out.'

I agree, truly awful watching how distressed some of those young children were. And some people on here have actually admitted they were glad to see it. Sick, there's no other word for it

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/09/2011 14:31:59    1031675