so grammy if those kids had went through the back door do you think the current students would be allowed to walk on a main PUBLIC road?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/09/2011 21:14:16    1029569

Well I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with Greengrass, Derryman etc. I'm all for making a stand but when that puts your own small children in danger I wouldn't. Seemingly to these two saving 5 minutes in the journey or standing up to those idiots that protested is more important than the health and safety of your children

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 07/09/2011 21:29:10    1029586

gotmilk
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1029569 so grammy if those kids had went through the back door do you think the current students would be allowed to walk on a main PUBLIC road?


gotmilk i'd really only be speculating if i gave you an answer to your question. now back to my question about the titanic and the men having to stand aside until the women and and children boarded the life boats, should the men have taken a stand and stood up for themselves?.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 07/09/2011 21:38:27    1029594

I'm all for making a stand but when that puts your own small children in danger I wouldn't

I dont believe this was a life threatening situation. There was the danger of mental scarring but to allow the children to be bullied also carried consequences.


gotmilk i'd really only be speculating if i gave you an answer to your question. now back to my question about the titanic and the men having to stand aside until the women and and children boarded the life boats, should the men have taken a stand and stood up for themselves?.


Cant for the life of me make a connection with this

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 07/09/2011 21:51:19    1029612

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1029521 I could be wrong but I never seen it as a life threatening situation regardless of how uglly it was. But to follow the logic put forward by Gammy knee and indeed pp and Paddy we would no doubt still be living in caves and the great beasts of the earth would be the true masters. We must overcome our fears and we must stand up for what is right and unfortunately in this instance it meant that the adults had to bring the children through this otherwise evil would have won the day. I made the point earlier that Christ did not have to go to Jerusalem but he did. Now gammy Knee and pp would argue that Christ was wrong, because it made his persecutors look bad and he really only done it to point score and prove that his pacificist approach to life was right and otherwise was wrong. However thank God that the real reason was to show those of us who came sfterward that right will prevail but only if we are strong the face of evil. And given how these children have turned out it can be seen that right has prevailed in the face of this evil.

the program only dealt with four youngsters so it's not certain that all the children escaped being affected by their holy cross experiences. derryman i think we need jesus back again because the world we live in today is a very evil place, looks to me like your personal interpretation of christs journey into jerusalem has well and truly worn off on a lot of people. one mans right is often another mans wrong .

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 07/09/2011 22:00:22    1029632

grammy what has a boat sinking got to do with children been assaulted on their way to school?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 08/09/2011 11:51:41    1029763

I think it's fair to say the experience stood those young girls well and I'm sure they were representative of all those involved. Some people on here should not comment on this as they have no experience of a community under siege or sectarianism and how these things affect people. It will be a long time before the walls come down, but the documentary showed to the world that things are moving forward for the people of Ardoyne.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 08/09/2011 13:02:16    1029814

Simply

Would you put your own kids through that turmoil?

swinginbeauts (Tyrone) - Posts: 73 - 08/09/2011 14:09:30    1029878

'It will be a long time before the walls come down, but the documentary showed to the world that things are moving forward for the people of Ardoyne.'

Really? Year after year we see them wreck their own community. Belfast is moving on and is leaving areas like the Ardoyne behind it thankfully

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 08/09/2011 14:24:34    1029895

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1029428 What do you reckon grammy should we get rid of one man one vote? Should a black woman have to give up her seat on a bus for a white man? Should a child continue to be bullied at school and say nothing?

Or maybe, maybe just the could stand up for themselves.

gotmilk
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1029763 grammy what has a boat sinking got to do with children been assaulted on their way to school?

i could have asked you what a child being bullied at school or a black woman giving up her seat on a bus or one man one vote had to do with parents putting their children's well being at risk.

was it right that that women and children got a seat on the life boats of the titanic ahead of the men. equal rights and all that jazz. do you think the men should have stood up for themselves giving that the situation they were in was a very dire one ?.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 08/09/2011 18:15:13    1030127

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1029558 Greengrass
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1029480 Gammy_Knee
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is it not ok for people to also teach their children that it is quite ok to step back from something but particularly when that something could potentially cost you your life.

Good man Gammy_knee. Well done indeed. You do a wonderful job posting as an apologist for those who spat on small children going to school. It's great to see that your admiration for the actions of people who subjected small children to such a barrage of poisonously, vitriolic hatred for weeks, is such that you would post in defence of those people. What an individual you are!!

greengrass i'm not an apologist for anyone, i'm merely pointing out that the parents should have protected their own small children from being spat on and the barrage of of poisonously,vitriolic hatered they knew would be coming their way every morning and evening. jesus the parents knew full well they were dealing with psycho's did they not, 'people' who would think nothing of blowing the whole lot of them up just for the sake of it. i think i read somewhere where you said you had young kids, would you not protect your little ones from similar type of behaviour if it happened in your home town of dundalk. surely you'd weigh up the situation and come to the conclusion that your children's safety and well being outweighed their right to travel a certain path to school if that path posed a serious risk to them.

Firstly the issue of who is to blame. You along with paddy and pp inferred that the parents of the children should bear some of the blame for the situation that arose. They don't. The people who protested bear all the blame for what happened. They initiated those vile protests against small children walking to school. As for what I would have done. The answer is I don't know. I don't know what it is like to be faced with such unfathomable hatred. The protest was entirely unjustified so no more misguided statements trying to apportion blame to the parents. In terms of walking their children to school the parents had right on their side.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 08/09/2011 18:17:43    1030130

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1029586 Well I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with Greengrass, Derryman etc. I'm all for making a stand but when that puts your own small children in danger I wouldn't. Seemingly to these two saving 5 minutes in the journey or standing up to those idiots that protested is more important than the health and safety of your children

Spare us your sanctimony pp.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 08/09/2011 18:20:49    1030132

It's a valid point, for any parent their child should always be their number 1 concern. For these parents it wasn't because they put them through an ordeal that was avoidable. I applaud the parents who took their children a safe route to school

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 08/09/2011 18:46:51    1030151

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1030151 It's a valid point, for any parent their child should always be their number 1 concern. For these parents it wasn't because they put them through an ordeal that was avoidable. I applaud the parents who took their children a safe route to school

You would wouldn't you. The point you continually miss is that this was a safe route before those protesters chose to vent their spleen on small children. Had your recommendations been followed the question would then have been where would the next protest against school children take place. Which school route for Catholic children would be attacked next ? Feed a monster and it gets bigger.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 08/09/2011 21:56:35    1030322

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1030151 It's a valid point, for any parent their child should always be their number 1 concern. For these parents it wasn't because they put them through an ordeal that was avoidable. I applaud the parents who took their children a safe route to school


I completely agree with PP, this was a point scoring exercise by nationalist going out of their way to look like a victim and putting their kids lives in danger in doing so. The social should have had all those parent up for endangering their children as the vidoe chip have shown these are terrible careless parents.

Also when catholics use violence to tring and stop unionists walking doing the road they somehow think they are entitled to do so, that i was i laugh in their faces as irong is wasted on them but stupidity definately isnt. The poor children used as pawns in the sick games of parents is a national disgrace, but alas i wouldnt expect much more.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 09/09/2011 11:21:04    1030434

litho and pp. During those times the didn't have to play too hard at being the victim. I wonder in Alabama if the young black children decided not to put their lives at risk by turning up at white dominated school or sat at the front of the bus what place would they have now in american society? Would there have been a black president ?

Yes, they are still rioting in Ardoyne, it will take time and a lot of the trouble is caused by outside groups, gurriers and dissidents.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 09/09/2011 15:12:24    1030687

Liathroid uses the same "learned off by heart" cliches in nearly every post but his spelling and punctuation is getting worse and ruining them !!
Pity because they were enjoyable and they proved that his only purpose on these boards is to wind people up !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 09/09/2011 17:30:00    1030854

grammy you are right a lot of first class men were given places on the lifeboats at the expense of second and third class women and children. I guess they stood up for their rights.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/09/2011 18:38:20    1030902

The 'alternative' route that people talk about was a back gate through St. Gabriel's school, across a mucky pitch and down a steep embankment which was simply dangerous for some people. It was like going from A to B through the rest of the aphabet, the tradesman's entrance to remind people they are second class. PP and Gammy are either on the deliberate wind up, want to annoy and rile as many as possible or simply know nothing of the situation and area. It was all about keeping the Orange jackboot on the Fenians neck, to show who was the boss but it blew back in their faces. Loyalism imploded after that and the UDA and UVF have spent the last decade in drug dealing feuds. As for the parents who weren't goimg to back down, they took their cue from Archbishop Desmond Tutu who walked with them and their children and told them they were second class to no one. If pp and gammy are genuinely involved with the GAA or are from the Nationalist tradition they are the ONLY Gaels or Irishmen I have ever heard defend the rancid, venemous, hateful scumbags who terrorised those children. I suggest they go on to YouTube and try to watch some of the footage. Shame on you for using this as your plaything or entertainment because no sane person could ever provide excuses for this medieval fundamental bigotry; go away the GAA doesn't want or need people like you. There are other websites where you can swap stories with likeminded individuals.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 09/09/2011 19:03:54    1030917

And many third class were only let up on deck after all the lifeboats had been launched.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 09/09/2011 19:11:02    1030920