Seamus89
County: Kilkenny

Twas a fine piece by my favourite Jewish lady alright, a fine piece. Should have attached a link...
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You're favourite Jewish lady? Whats her being Jewish got to do with anything, why is it necessary to mention that? Do you think that fact gives her readers some pluralistic moral highground?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 12/08/2011 15:03:01    1009769

Just mentioning it Marlon, no need to get excited.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 12/08/2011 15:29:33    1009790

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny

Just mentioning it Marlon, no need to get excited.
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Wasn't getting excited, only Susannah Hoffs from the Bangles gets that sort of reaction from me. I was just asking why you felt it necessary to specify the lady is Jewish, what do you think that gained for you?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 12/08/2011 15:36:16    1009800

Just mentioning it Marlon, like I might say that Una Healy was my favorite Tipp girl, or that Lucinda Creighton is my favourite female politician, and my favourite Mayo blonde.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 12/08/2011 15:38:47    1009806

"But Where, you're avoiding the point here. Economic policies do not cause riots, people do. People in Tottenham were a lot poorer 50 years ago, and a lot poorer than that 50 years before that, and yet people didn't riot. They had moral values. Read Harry Redknapp's piece in The Sun a few days ago. He is hardly an extreme Tory or a conservative Christian or anything like that.

He's just an ordinary bloke-ugh-who grew up in that part of the world when people respected one another, when they respected their parents, when they respected authority, whether that be the government, the police, the clergy, whatever. Now there's no respect, and this happens.

Left wing social policies have destroyed British society, and will destroy our society as well. Look at Limerick City. That's where we're heading. "

I never said 'economic policies' were the cause. To be clear: saying it's all 'the bankers' fault is as lazy and knee-jerk as blaming 'The Left' or Blackberry instant messaging. I'm not sure that the world was riot-free 50-100 years ago but even if it was, saying there was less riots because there was less divorce/single parents seems like a bit of a leap of faith. I can use similar logic to claim that because we had less divorce/single parents, we had more polio and George Formby.

By the way, if you know anything about Harry Redknapp (other than sycophancy he gets from London football journalists), you'd realise he's in no position to lecture society about morals and ethics.

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 12/08/2011 16:42:28    1009900

I never said 'economic policies' were the cause. To be clear: saying it's all 'the bankers' fault is as lazy and knee-jerk as blaming 'The Left' or Blackberry instant messaging. I'm not sure that the world was riot-free 50-100 years ago but even if it was, saying there was less riots because there was less divorce/single parents seems like a bit of a leap of faith. I can use similar logic to claim that because we had less divorce/single parents, we had more polio and George Formby.

There was not nearly as much crime back then, this sort of attack by people on their own communities would have been unthinkable. Since then, the welfare state has grown immeasurably, and yet we hear this 'It's all social exclusion, poverty, inequality, etc'. Why do you think so many young men in Tottenham are violent and lawless?

By the way, if you know anything about Harry Redknapp (other than sycophancy he gets from London football journalists), you'd realise he's in no position to lecture society about morals and ethics.

Oh, do tell Whereangels...

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 12/08/2011 17:02:09    1009923

seamus

But Where, you're avoiding the point here. Economic policies do not cause riots, people do. People in Tottenham were a lot poorer 50 years ago, and a lot poorer than that 50 years before that, and yet people didn't riot.


You say people didn't riot in the last 100 years in england?

what about the battle of bow street in 1919?
luton peace day riots 1919
cable street 1936
nottingham riots 1958

Just some of the riots in across the water in the past 100 years. So what happened to these morals that all these people had 100 years ago?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/08/2011 20:31:37    1010106

I still can't believe that a nation that organised the evacuation in Dunkirk couldn't get a soccer international played. The game should have been refixed for Sunderland or Newcastle. I know it would have been logistically difficult but there are people in the FA who are getting paid hundreds of thousands per year and needed to have more imagination than this. Also the looters would have taken a perverted pride in getting the England game called off. I also can't workout why the Spurs v Everyon game wasn't switched to Goodison.

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 13/08/2011 09:57:33    1010211

The Face
County: Monaghan
Posts: 673

1010211 I still can't believe that a nation that organised the evacuation in Dunkirk couldn't get a soccer international played. The game should have been refixed for Sunderland or Newcastle. I know it would have been logistically difficult but there are people in the FA who are getting paid hundreds of thousands per year and needed to have more imagination than this. Also the looters would have taken a perverted pride in getting the England game called off. I also can't workout why the Spurs v Everyon game wasn't switched to Goodison.
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Ah yes, lets put aside the mayhem, destruction and ruined livelihoods for the time being and make sure that the footy takes priority, good stuff, the EPL must triumph over evil!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 13/08/2011 10:23:42    1010224

The Face
County: Monaghan
Posts: 673

1010211 I still can't believe that a nation that organised the evacuation in Dunkirk couldn't get a soccer international played. The game should have been refixed for Sunderland or Newcastle. I know it would have been logistically difficult but there are people in the FA who are getting paid hundreds of thousands per year and needed to have more imagination than this. Also the looters would have taken a perverted pride in getting the England game called off. I also can't workout why the Spurs v Everyon game wasn't switched to Goodison.
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Ah yes, lets put aside the mayhem, destruction and ruined livelihoods for the time being and make sure that the footy takes priority, good stuff, the EPL must triumph over evil!


Well, waddayaknow! Another facetious arguement on HS. I'm not saying soccer takes priority for everyone BUT its the English FA's and Premier League's main responsibilty to get games played not to pontificate about society breaking down but in getting the games played it would have shown the looters and rioters that live is going on despite them, so its a win-win. (though probably score draw-away win!) All I'm saying is that a (very) little bit of planning and application could and should have got both games played.
BTW, plastic bullets were an unmitigated disaster in Northern Ireland. We're supposed to learn the lessons of history not repeat the mistakes. Although nothing better an Irishman does than play the victim, even if its 25 years late

The Face (Monaghan) - Posts: 890 - 13/08/2011 12:29:16    1010283

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv_6B77pfCQ

Click the above for one of the best songs ever written by my favourite band of all time!!.....video is very fitting too!!

........."Old England is Dying!"

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 13/08/2011 16:02:18    1010437

snuf cracking tune and even though it was wrote when the torries were last in power not much has changed since then.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 13/08/2011 20:24:20    1010570

gotmilk,

Video for it here is excellent!

Waterboys, sing my favourite tune of all time "This is the Sea"!!.....Only song that ever meant anything to me!....The 'riding giants' big wave surfing video to it is absolutely fantastic too!!

Must resurrect my 'Snuffys favourite tunes whilst on HS' thread some time soon!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 15/08/2011 14:47:14    1011418

Seamus - 'Arry is currently awaiting his day in court to defend the charge that he owes HMRC £40,000. You'd have steal a hell of lot of flatscreen tellies to make it worth 40 grand.

Also have a read of 'Broken Dreams' by Tom Bower as well if you ever get the chance.

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 16/08/2011 18:07:25    1012586

Clive Bloom yesterday on Today fm, flatly contradicted your generalised assertions Seamus.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6192 - 16/08/2011 20:10:45    1012709

What 'generalised assertions' Greengrass? And how did this chap contradict them? Is there new evidence to suggest that the overwhelming majority of the rioters were the product of two parent homes?

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 16/08/2011 20:32:12    1012728

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2084

You need to wise up man.Stop justifying thuggery and criminality just because its happening in London.It doesn't make you more of an Irish Republican to making sweeping negative statements about British society.I'm sure there are plenty of decent young men and women who join the British armed forces,that they don't get to dictate foreign policy is not there fault.These scumbags are not likely to fit the bill,they lay in bed till 1/2pm and then go out wrecking for the hell of it at night.

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You're drawing silly conclusions from my post Seanie. It was an off the cuff comment which nonetheless is valid. MP's claiming non-existent expenses, starting wars for big business, phone tapping, paying off cops, politicians cosying up to the Murdochs. In a fountain of corruption and greed, it's inevitable it will make it's way down the social classes.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 16/08/2011 20:40:10    1012736

Im happy enough being at the top of the social classes!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 16/08/2011 21:11:32    1012772

at least the soccer was cancelled so some good came out of this

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 17/08/2011 09:50:59    1012915

The Face
County: Monaghan
Posts: 675

1010211 I still can't believe that a nation that organised the evacuation in Dunkirk couldn't get a soccer international played. The game should have been refixed for Sunderland or Newcastle. I know it would have been logistically difficult but there are people in the FA who are getting paid hundreds of thousands per year and needed to have more imagination than this. Also the looters would have taken a perverted pride in getting the England game called off. I also can't workout why the Spurs v Everyon game wasn't switched to Goodison.

Because Liverpool were playing at home at the same time and Liverpool and Everton, and most other clubs fromt he same city, never have home games fixed for the same time

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12483 - 17/08/2011 10:15:33    1012945