It's rough over here at the moment.

What happened in Birmingham is bad enough, not to mind the carnage in London.

Lots of rumours doing the mill but it looks like tonight is going to be just as bad, if not worse in Birmingham anyway. 6 O'clock curfews and such like in the city centre. Not good at all.

tribeinbrum (Galway) - Posts: 4155 - 09/08/2011 14:28:06    1007372

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/evil-rioters-steal-from-hurt-boy-515914.html

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12483 - 09/08/2011 14:30:46    1007380

Just proves that we in the Wee state do not have the same rights than those in the rest of the UK just listen to Theresa May comments about the use of water cannon on the streets of Briton....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456057

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 09/08/2011 14:41:29    1007398

Gilly
Why do most threads on this forum have to inevitably end up in a disagreement about Northern Ireland, we are talking about a very serious sistuation that is currently taking place in London, yet all we get on here is the usual anti British claptrap, Northern Ireland, plastic bullets, RUC etc etc


The question of plastic bullets usage is very valid IMO. Why would they be used in one part of a 'state' but not another? We don't even have to be talking about
NI but anywhere in the world. Wouldn't we wonder what was going on if plastic bullets were being used in Galway but not in Waterford for example ?

It's a fair question!!

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 09/08/2011 15:19:10    1007430

The police have said they will use baton rounds and plastic bullets if need be. This whole thread is pointless, Brend's point is completely invalid and once again he has shown himself up. The criminals in Northern Ireland are treated no different to those in London, Manchester or Birmingham

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 09/08/2011 15:44:16    1007456

"Armed anti-apartheid activities

In 1961 Mandela became leader of the ANC's armed wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe (translated Spear of the Nation, and also abbreviated MK), which he co-founded.[34] He coordinated sabotage campaigns against military and government targets, making plans for a possible guerrilla war if the sabotage failed to end apartheid.[35] Mandela also raised funds for MK abroad and arranged for paramilitary training of the group.[35]

Fellow ANC member Wolfie Kadesh explains the bombing campaign led by Mandela: "When we knew that we [sic] going to start on 16 December 1961, to blast the symbolic places of apartheid, like pass offices, native magistrates courts, and things like that ... post offices and ... the government offices. But we were to do it in such a way that nobody would be hurt, nobody would get killed."[36] Mandela said of Wolfie: "His knowledge of warfare and his first hand battle experience were extremely helpful to me."[12]

Mandela described the move to armed struggle as a last resort; years of increasing repression and violence from the state convinced him that many years of non-violent protest against apartheid had not and could not achieve any progress.[12][37]

Later, mostly in the 1980s, MK waged a guerrilla war against the apartheid government in which many civilians became casualties.[35] Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, sharply criticising those in his own party who attempted to remove statements supporting this fact from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.[38]

Until July 2008 Mandela and ANC party members were barred from entering the United States-except to visit the United Nations headquarters in Manhattan-without a special waiver from the US Secretary of State, because of their South African apartheid government era designation as terrorists.[39][40]"

Yes most of the rioters in England are only out to get a new pair of shoes, but what did Craig say about the Civil Rights movement? What's the criteria used to determine when violence become justified? There is a political debate being lost in the haze of Burberry, also people need a reason to obey the law, it's how it works. There are also valid questions to be asked about the police response, where are the plastic bullets and water cannons which are normal on our streets, and why aren't they cracking skulls like they were during the university fees protests?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXcI-NL3Tro
'currys are still selling video recorders come on currys get with the times lol

Benandonner (Antrim) - Posts: 459 - 09/08/2011 15:47:09    1007461

A 6 o clock curfew should be set and all of those outdoors after this should be shot. I guarentee the riots would stop fairly quickly then. If these riots were in a Republican part of Belfast i would suggest that Water canons, plastic bullets and Baton charges would already have happened to the rioters.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 09/08/2011 15:58:13    1007478

It's time for gas and then crack heads...

This has nothing to do with race... it's time they sorted out these thugs. The only way that they'll understand...

Time to crack some head...

JinxyPoop (UK) - Posts: 1162 - 09/08/2011 15:58:18    1007479

load the Water Cannon up with indelible ink and arrest anybody resembling Smurf!. the next day .

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 09/08/2011 16:35:25    1007528

The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma

stranmillis29 (Antrim) - Posts: 788 - 09/08/2011 16:36:03    1007530

Army out!

Live rounds!

Fire at will!!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 09/08/2011 17:38:54    1007594

Ditto Snuff !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 09/08/2011 17:53:33    1007606

Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
Posts: 2698

1007594
Army out!

Live rounds!

Fire at will!!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael what has Will ever done on you [:o)

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 09/08/2011 17:57:16    1007612

Shows the unionist and loyalist people of the north just what the brits think of them - water canon and plastic bullets to disperse rioters in the north, which they wouldnt dare use on their multicultural subjects in hackney, tottenham etc etc.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 09/08/2011 18:18:49    1007631

These guys would make the Kaiser Chiefs I Predict A Riot look like a baby sitting club.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQkActP-isE

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 09/08/2011 18:30:33    1007640

now normally i wouldnt give a tinkers about what happens over in london, but like many in ireland i have family living and working there. some consider themselves english, some irish. what ive heard from both sides of the coin is they are disgusted in equal measure about whats happening at the minute. a cousin of mine, who considers herself english, gave me her tuppence last nite and for what its worth a i thought i would give it some publicity. so here goes.

she believes england is suffering from having too many class divisions, as in upper, middle, lower/working/cant get work and scum/dont want to work. throw in the fact that it is now a multicultural society and the fact that it is involved in conflicts in the middle east/afghanistan/iraq and you get an idea of how much of a split has opened up in the countrys psyche and make-up. theyre afraid to be heavy-handed with the black/asian/muslims because they dont want al qaida etc swollen with their ranks, and they dont want to get heavy-handed with the white trash because they dont want the EDL/KKK type groups becoming more popular either.

i would simplify this down to a quote from tommy tiernan....the english complain when they invade loads of countries and these people follow them home..simplistic i know, but the old empire/ commonwealth is now crumbling at its core and theyve no-one to blame but themselves

ballyoisin_bomb (Monaghan) - Posts: 183 - 09/08/2011 18:39:29    1007653

I will not be happy until the streets of cities around the world are flowing with the blood of subhuman filthy scum wiped off the face of the earth and all the good people of the world can walk the streets in Peace!!

Govts should have a simple 'shoot to kill' policy when it comes to anybody who proves themselves as subhuman scum!!
What is the definition of 'subhuman scum'??........Its whatever a good armed Snufalufagus deems it to be on the spot as I see fit!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 09/08/2011 18:40:20    1007654

We've taken more than out fair share of s*** from the Brits, its time for the Irish to put our feet up and whip out the popcorn and watch it all unfold. Who cares if London burns, the black and tans burned Cork, what goes around comes around :)

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 09/08/2011 19:05:28    1007678

Iran are sending a human rights delegation to London to monitor police handling of the protesters according to Iranian National TV.

Absolutely brilliant ! It's about time the BBC got some of their BS thrown back at them.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 09/08/2011 19:11:34    1007681

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14464139

Some slick work from Boris, shows you what happens when the BS of politics gets into the real world - "You talk about robust policing, what does it actually mean?" No Paul Merton to bail him out this time! Another woman's statement can be summarised as - I don't care if someone got shot, the salon window was smashed.

I'd agree with the statement above about the growing divisions in British society. People only obey laws when it's in their interest to do so, that's how the social contract works (which is what legitimates the authority of modern governments. I'll pay the taxes and be good if you give me a future). It's about incentives, in the same way that the banks, developers etc had no incentive not to ruin the economy. Don't forget to put the cost of the rioting (£100m at the moment) in context, say against a few wars, maybe a bailout or two.

Going back 150 years here's the exact same problem. The solution then was the workhouse, which some of you might remember the old relatives try not to mention.

"Malthus was not the first to outline the problems he discussed. The original essay was part of an ongoing intellectual discussion at the end of the 18th century regarding the origins of poverty. Principle of Population was specifically written as a rebuttal to thinkers like William Godwin and the Marquis de Condorcet, and Malthus' own father who believed in the perfectability of humanity. Malthus believe that humanity's ability to reproduce too rapidly doomed efforts at perfection and cause many problems. His criticism of the working class's tendency to reproduce rapidly, and his belief that this, rather than exploitation by capitalists, led to their poverty led to widespread criticism and discussion of his theory. [18]

Malthusians drew from this the inference that ideas of charity to the poor typified by Tory paternalism were futile as it would only result in increased numbers of the poor, and was developed into Whig economic ideas exemplified by The Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834, described by opponents as "a Malthusian bill designed to force the poor to emigrate, to work for lower wages, to live on a coarser sort of food",[19] which brought the construction of workhouses despite riots and arson."

Benandonner (Antrim) - Posts: 459 - 09/08/2011 19:46:23    1007691