Interesting to see the different tactics employed in Britain as opposed to those used by the RUC in dealing with similar riot situations. Where were the plastic 'baton rounds' so beloved of our local boys in green, surely things got seriously out of hand last nite, lives could have so easily been lost, major damage to property occured, yet the Met used containment as opposed to firing solid plastic projectiles at 200mph into massed crowds. There wasn't even a water cannon employed! Are the UK forces too soft or are the RUC still over zealous? So when are the RUC setting up their own cavalry division just like the Met, tally ho boys!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 07/08/2011 20:11:37    1005909

The RUC finished in 2001, our police force is now the PSNI

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 07/08/2011 20:25:40    1005928

lay about louts every place has them , they cry on about needing investment in the area , who is going to invest in areas where there burning cars and buses and endangering life , louts should be all made to take small paint brush and told they have to sweep up the mess themselves .

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 07/08/2011 20:27:06    1005929

i heard the riot started after the tyrone game any truth in this lads ? is tottenhan an enclave for tyronies

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 07/08/2011 20:35:14    1005945

They might be 'your' police force horse, but they will always be the RUC.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 07/08/2011 20:41:26    1005955

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i heard the riot started after the tyrone game any truth in this lads ? is tottenhan an enclave for tyronies

only the circumcised ones )

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 07/08/2011 20:48:45    1005969

Believe what you want to believe brend...

HorseOutside (UK) - Posts: 398 - 07/08/2011 21:30:33    1006022

pp and horse split personality's

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 07/08/2011 21:43:41    1006044

A thread with the headline "Tottenham Riots" is actually about policing in the 6 counties.

Only on Hogan Stand.

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 08/08/2011 10:27:57    1006171

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1006171 A thread with the headline "Tottenham Riots" is actually about policing in the 6 counties.

Only on Hogan Stand.
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If you take off your green tinted, standard issue Sinn Fein glasses Dr, then you might actually see that its a comparison, you might want to respond in kind to the point. I realise that these days with SF sitting on policing boards they no longer feel compelled to condemn the indiscriminate firing of plastic bullets in the North, the hypocrites they are.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 08/08/2011 10:46:21    1006191

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I realise that these days with SF sitting on policing boards they no longer feel compelled to condemn the indiscriminate firing of plastic bullets in the North, the hypocrites they are.

The shinners have never had a problem with indiscriminate violence surely?

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 08/08/2011 11:27:14    1006242

Sometimes Brend comes across as quite intelligent and then he comes out with something like this. Dissident Republicans really do get their support from the dregs of the society, the ill-informed and the uneducated

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 08/08/2011 13:10:12    1006414

People have been killed before with plastic bullets, most of them children. All it takes is one child killed in ardoyne (God forbid) and a bad situation becomes a lot worse, the PSNI should immediately stop resorting to such lethal methods. They're literally playing russian roulette with the peace process every time they open fire.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 08/08/2011 16:03:42    1006676

The question you have to ask yourself is why small children would be anywhere near these riots. Truth is those that instigate them want children to get involved knowing full well that if something did happen to one of them it would play right into their hands. The riots in Tottenham have seen over 100 people arrested already, significantly more than the number arrested for the riots in Belfast. That would indicate that in fact they are being stricter than the PSNI here who tend to wait for weeks and months until arresting those involved. But of course that goes against what Brend is suggesting in this thread. The facts are there for all to see but some refuse to open their eyes. There's no hope for them but their numbers are getting smaller and smaller thankfully

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 08/08/2011 16:14:38    1006689

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People have been killed before with plastic bullets, most of them children. All it takes is one child killed in ardoyne (God forbid) and a bad situation becomes a lot worse, the PSNI should immediately stop resorting to such lethal methods. They're literally playing russian roulette with the peace process every time they open fire.

Have the parents no responsibility in this at all ? I'm sure you and i would make sure our children were inside at times like this and not put in any danger. We wouldn't want to play Russian Roulette with our children !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2011 16:52:22    1006735

Oh dear, you guys are in trouble when liathroidboy gets here!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 08/08/2011 17:08:17    1006758

'Have the parents no responsibility in this at all ? I'm sure you and i would make sure our children were inside at times like this and not put in any danger. We wouldn't want to play Russian Roulette with our children !!'

Outrageous comment, it's perfectly acceptable parenting to let your children pull a hood over his face and go out on the streets and throw petrol bombs and bricks at the Police. But if something should happen to him then that's a completely different story, the parent and child is completely blameless and the guilt lies solely at the feet of the sectarian RUC

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 08/08/2011 17:21:11    1006776

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There are numerous circumstances that lead to children being in riot situations. Firstly, a riot is a very fluid event, it is entirely possible that a child could be walking through a peaceful area of ardoyne only to see 50-60 youths spilling out of an alleyway onto their road being chased by trigger happy cops.

Secondly, by all accounts, the youths taking part in the ardoyne riots aren't from ardoyne, so a 15 year old in west belfast, could tell his parents he's going to football training and take himself over to ardoyne without the parents being aware.

Thirdly, some of the rioters may be without a strong parental influence and are by and large left to their own devices.

Lastly, there have been cases where children have been shot dead by police bullets coming through their front window or bedroom window, being at home isn't always safe.

Whatever the circumstances, no civilised society can attempt to blame a child for their own deaths, children behave recklessly, it goes with being young. The onus is at all times on the police to protect the lives of all people, firing plastic bullets needlessly endangers lives and can lead to an escalation in riot situations.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1795 - 08/08/2011 18:22:18    1006838

When Britain votes in the Tories the working class riots. It's happened before. They have obviously learned nothing.

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 08/08/2011 18:27:42    1006843

artisan
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1006838
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 8475

There are numerous circumstances that lead to children being in riot situations. Firstly, a riot is a very fluid event, it is entirely possible that a child could be walking through a peaceful area of ardoyne only to see 50-60 youths spilling out of an alleyway onto their road being chased by trigger happy cops.

Secondly, by all accounts, the youths taking part in the ardoyne riots aren't from ardoyne, so a 15 year old in west belfast, could tell his parents he's going to football training and take himself over to ardoyne without the parents being aware.

Thirdly, some of the rioters may be without a strong parental influence and are by and large left to their own devices.

Lastly, there have been cases where children have been shot dead by police bullets coming through their front window or bedroom window, being at home isn't always safe.

Whatever the circumstances, no civilised society can attempt to blame a child for their own deaths, children behave recklessly, it goes with being young. The onus is at all times on the police to protect the lives of all people, firing plastic bullets needlessly endangers lives and can lead to an escalation in riot situations.


I can assure you that if there were riots in my area my children would be inside where i can see and supervise them regardless of training or anything else.
I am not getting into your spat with pplocal but that's the truth of the matter. Parents who don't know the whereabouts of their children are irresponsible !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2011 20:24:02    1006924