I have a solution for the problems in our education system. Teachers should only be paid for the days they work. Immediately, spending on pay would be cut by 50%. Brilliant.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 08/08/2011 21:35:39    1006987

Good idea seamus, then there would be several thousand extra on the live register for six months of the year. Wonder could i get a medical card too????

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 08/08/2011 21:49:33    1007013

Cavan_Slasher

I agree with you regarding most of your post but would a Secondary teacher not have a harder job ? I'm sure setting and correcting homework and supervising teenagers would be an entirely more difficult job as well as preparing them for Leaving Cert as i am you would be judged on your class's results !!

Judged by who? Parents? So what? Parents cannot decide what teachers are assigned to their childrens' classes. And parents will always blame someone else for their little darling's poor behaviour/performance.

Due to trade union resistance, all attempts to introduce performance assessment for teachers have been abandoned. Teachers cannot be sacked for poor performance. Pay for teachers is not linked to performance, just purely on seniority. So that rules out judgement being passed by school administrators or the Dept of Education.

And on top of that, the publishing of results "league tables" is banned, and so it's pretty difficult for poor performance to be identified to begin with.


That said, I completey agree with the comments that parents will always blame the teacher when things go badly, and credit their child if things go well.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 09/08/2011 09:19:45    1007073

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 2047

1006987 I have a solution for the problems in our education system. Teachers should only be paid for the days they work. Immediately, spending on pay would be cut by 50%. Brilliant.


Teachers dont get paid for not working. They recieve a salary which is paid in 12 installments over the year. A salary is a salary, how you get it or when you get etc is irrelevent.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 09/08/2011 13:32:42    1007305

Brolly

Teachers dont get paid for not working. They recieve a salary which is paid in 12 installments over the year. A salary is a salary, how you get it or when you get etc is irrelevent.

Sssssssssssh.... complicated concepts like that mightn't fit into certain posters clear-cut "left-or-right" understanding of the world.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 09/08/2011 15:54:39    1007475

Brolly
County: Monaghan
Posts: 2317

1007305 Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 2047

1006987 I have a solution for the problems in our education system. Teachers should only be paid for the days they work. Immediately, spending on pay would be cut by 50%. Brilliant.


Teachers dont get paid for not working. They recieve a salary which is paid in 12 installments over the year. A salary is a salary, how you get it or when you get etc is irrelevent

Correct Brolly. Has anyone noticed how alike some of Liathroidis and Seamus' posts are ? And Seamus wants to be taken seriously

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 09/08/2011 16:45:56    1007541

That was me being sarcastic lads. But I am serious in trying to raise awareness of how few days our nation's schoolteachers actually work, if you can call teaching work. Basically, all they have to do is stay one step ahead of the students, and for primary school teachers that aint so hard.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 09/08/2011 18:58:25    1007673

frankbhoy77
County: Antrim
Posts: 683

1005672 Ah well i might as well enjoy the rest of my holidays while i still have them, before i go back to my 20 hours (wherever that figure came from)

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this is whats wrong- the above cant even tell the difference between two countries and the fact that they even have two education systms- you would make a great teacher alright. the above shows i am perfectly right we need to get tough on these teachers who are living it up at our expense

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 10:29:43    1007889

performance related pay straight away. full year round work, full days work, and 20 days hols like normal working people is loads for teachers. i'll say it again teachers must be really stupid as it takes 4 years to train someone to teach maths to a 10 year old. i mean like in all fairness ya could teach any subject at primary level and if you sat your leavibg cert and got an A in a subject well then you would be well qualified to teach that subject in my opinion. teachers will get whats coming to them in 5 years time they will be looking back on how they used to joke about the 3 best things about being a teachers as being june july and august. we will finally sort out this once and for all. they will be given a simple choice- do a full time job, or else get paid for the time you actually work. A tenner an hour is loads as its hardly what you would call skilled work now is it.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 10:44:15    1007907

" A tenner an hour is loads as its hardly what you would call skilled work now is it."

Yes indeed !! Whoever taught you was definitely unskilled. I can agree that you got a dud alright !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 10/08/2011 11:37:53    1007975

thanks cavan im gald that you agree a tenner an hour is loads- in fact its probably too much. your right i didnt have good teachers, 90% of them i would fire for being incompetent- but in ireland alas you are not allowed fire useless people all you can do is give them more money and appologise for the fact that they have to work at all

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 11:51:48    1007989

What do ballboy and seamus do? Its obviously something very dossy seeing ye spend so much time on sites like this.

Laithroid - you'll kno all about teaching if u ever have your own children and are sitting up helping them with fractions or reading late into the nite.

On your point about teaching a 10year old maths, explain how for example you would explain long division or simplifying fractions to a class of say 28 - which includes about five different groups of ability level and say 3 or 4 special needs children on top of that??

Now think about a reading lesson with about 5 different novels to be taught simultaneously to 5 different groups, varied in ability with no classroom assistant to help. How would you organise it? Then teach it? Then make sure you get around all within an hour - set a homework, individual and maybe group task for each child and group...

Now squeeze in your mental maths, RE, geography, english grammar, ict, history, PDMU, art, science, technology, spelling, PE etc - and of course your data handling and measures maths topics to go along with your number topic (fractions). All the while remembering that you have children in your class that could write a book and must be pushed on, while others that cant even put together a sentence which require huge attention.

Now take home say your english and maths books to mark and comment on each book - thats 56 books that nite (plenty others still to be marked mind u).

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 10/08/2011 13:27:02    1008098

Brolly
County: Monaghan
Posts: 2321

1008098 What do ballboy and seamus do? Its obviously something very dossy seeing ye spend so much time on sites like this.

Laithroid - you'll kno all about teaching if u ever have your own children and are sitting up helping them with fractions or reading late into the nite.

On your point about teaching a 10year old maths, explain how for example you would explain long division or simplifying fractions to a class of say 28 - which includes about five different groups of ability level and say 3 or 4 special needs children on top of that??

Now think about a reading lesson with about 5 different novels to be taught simultaneously to 5 different groups, varied in ability with no classroom assistant to help. How would you organise it? Then teach it? Then make sure you get around all within an hour - set a homework, individual and maybe group task for each child and group...

Now squeeze in your mental maths, RE, geography, english grammar, ict, history, PDMU, art, science, technology, spelling, PE etc - and of course your data handling and measures maths topics to go along with your number topic (fractions). All the while remembering that you have children in your class that could write a book and must be pushed on, while others that cant even put together a sentence which require huge attention.

Now take home say your english and maths books to mark and comment on each book - thats 56 books that nite (plenty others still to be marked mind u).

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oh cry me a river- the poor darlings. walking around putting a gold star on the copybooks of a few kids for getting their spelling write- sound seriously hard to me. and i have kids and i totally understand that teahers do nothing as with all this planning they are supposed to do and that their unions keep crying out that tghey are spending all hours of the day planning lessons and individual learning plans etc. my simple solution was to ask to see them? then you soon realise that its a complete an utter joke and i have no problem telling them. i have said to numerous teachers of my kids that they should be fired for incompetence, they usually dont be so smug when they are not dealing with council house vermon and have PhD educated people asking the question. i urge all parents to ask to see this plans that take so much time to draw up- ill let ye in on a little secret folks they dont exixt but we are paying for them and i would like answers. as i have said if we are to clean up society we must start with the worst offenders first ie those on welfare and underworkered overpaid civil servants- that are the cause of 90% of all our problems - but their cummupance is coming solwly but surely

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 13:47:39    1008135

Your an ignorant man laithroid - theres no point trying to reason with the unreasonable so i have nothing more to say to you on this one.

Your spelling and grammar in that last post certainly wouldn't suggest you are PHd educated. The users of this site are under no illusions of how well or unwell you are educated so you are kidding nobody my friend.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 10/08/2011 13:57:40    1008144

as you say yourself ballboy, your last post is laughable to say the least... oh i guess ignorance is bliss.. why didnt you answer me last week when i asked you to tell me more about your week in Galway namely the G hotel????

skinthecat (Galway) - Posts: 394 - 10/08/2011 14:13:30    1008170

Brolly I advised you before to ignore liathroidi. He/she/it is one of three things, a hopeless WUM without a sense of humour or a Walter Mitty character in serious need of help. The third option is that he/she/it is a creation of Hoganstand. I'm not so sure about that particular option as I believe a large amount of what he/she/it has had to say is offensive dung. Either way Brolly, he/she/it has absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. Don't waste your time engaging with he/she/it. Liathroidi thrives most of all on attention. Without attention he/she/it will wither away and expire.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6183 - 10/08/2011 14:23:23    1008194

skinthecat
County: Galway
Posts: 181

1008170 as you say yourself ballboy, your last post is laughable to say the least... oh i guess ignorance is bliss.. why didnt you answer me last week when i asked you to tell me more about your week in Galway namely the G hotel????

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if i had to answer the questions of everyone who had a crush/ obsession with me i wouldnt have time for anything else...

education levels aint what they used to be when people think a PhD is like a big spelling test- alas i suppose sure thats what i get for engaging with idiots... yawn!!

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 14:54:18    1008256

Brolly I advised you before to ignore Greengrass. He/she/it is one of three things, a hopeless WUM without a sense of humour or a Walter Mitty character in serious need of help. The third option is that he/she/it is a creation of Hoganstand. I'm not so sure about that particular option as I believe a large amount of what he/she/it has had to say is offensive dung. Either way Brolly, he/she/it has absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. Don't waste your time engaging with he/she/it. Greengrass thrives most of all on attention. Without attention he/she/it will wither away and expire

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 14:55:45    1008260

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 2056

I am serious in trying to raise awareness of how few days our nation's schoolteachers actually work,

Good christ child, we all went to school. I think we know the length of a school year!

good luck with your "awareness campaign" though!

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 10/08/2011 15:47:15    1008360

its great to see that labour isnt bending over backwards for its former communist friends in the teachers unions. the party is well and truly over, imagine we may have teachers who might actually work full time in the not too distant future- if the unions object just keep cutting and as we know and this thread has highlight they aint the most skilled people in the world and could all easily be replaced in no time therefore i think a bit of supply and demand pricing should be placed on teachers from now on, they have had their final laugh at our expense, and this is only the start. if they want 5 months holidayus they they should pe prepared to do after school clubs, supervised study etc, in effect they shpould be working from 8am until 9pm all the days of actuall term time- then they may be treated as normal workers until then they are part timers just screwing the system

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 10/08/2011 16:03:58    1008395