Joxer
County: Dublin
Posts: 656

1004113 Jyazus Thomas I didn't think they had those referee mics in 1995!! :) Seeing as though I haven't seen the incident in 16 years, was it McLoughlin who pointed and was blown up in possession?? I thought it was but like you say the gargle it dims me brain. Incidentally I was in the upper Cusask in 84 also for that bad beating by Kerry. Those were the days.
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The ball broke and Canavan was basically on the ground. As it bounced he flicked it to McLaughlin who pointed, and it seemed like an eternity before the poor fella (and most of the crowd) realised that Paddy Russell has blown a free. Being honest, the replays have never been conclusive as to whether the ball was an inch or two off the ground or not when Canavan played it. I'd say the only person who might be certain is Canavan himself, but no one else can be. In any event, I've always believed that Dublin were the better side that day, and Tyrone can't really have many complaints.

Aye 1984, centenary year. That was a decent Dublin minor side, with Paul Clarke as captain. I vaguely remember a couple of brothers on it too, maybe Crowleys, but they never progressed as seniors. Hard to believe it is nearly 30 years!

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 05/08/2011 13:14:22    1004130

Huge pressure on Tyrone not only to win this game, but to win the all Ireland this year. They'll be expecting to have to game won by half time. They always raise their game from a "good" team to a "very good" team when they play the Dubs in Croke Park.

May the best team win, hopefully there will be no talk of refs/umpires after the game.

bangbang (Dublin) - Posts: 113 - 05/08/2011 18:04:07    1004463

All the best to Tyrone and Dublin, if the football is anything like last weekend we will be in for a treat!

Spuddy (Mayo) - Posts: 345 - 05/08/2011 18:15:19    1004469

It is a real pity that two of the best young midfielders in the country, MD McAuley and Aidan Cassidy are not fit to start. That would have been some battle. I feel Tyrone are peaking at the right time and have a very strong bench and that could just see them home by a point or two.

paddywack09 (Tyrone) - Posts: 150 - 05/08/2011 18:15:52    1004470

oh the nerves and the pressure is starting to gain momentum

Could this be the game of the 2011 Championship season???? Only time will tell....

Was O'Gara named as a decoy. Hes not fit (injured I believe during an in house challenge game last weekend?) If so then does that mean Barry Cahill will start and play as a sweeper for Dublin?

I thought Cahill would have been an automatic in the starting fifteen and was really surprised at his omission. Surely given the pedigree and quality that Tyrone always bring to the table Giller would have to decalre his strongest hand for a game that could be the defining point of the championship????

The head to heads will also be interesting. Roll on tomoro night to we see what the Dubs are really made off. WILL THEY BOTTLE IT AGAIN????? Me thinks they will and Giller will be asked to step down on Monday.....

lomanaiochtabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 05/08/2011 18:20:27    1004472

anybody know a rough estimate of how many will be at the match? would be great if it sold out but i doubt it! c'mon Tyrone

mully_253 (Tyrone) - Posts: 17 - 05/08/2011 18:20:43    1004473

I feel Tyrone have been talked up a bit too much after the Roscommon game. Roscommon reminded me of Donegal a few years ago when we were reaching All-Ireland q/f's and that semi against Armagh, a team on the cusp with some extremely talented footballers but not really the belief. When they went 4 up they really should've kicked on in the first half, but Cavanagh popped up with that great goal. The Tyrone full back line was being torn apart by the Rossies two inside forwards that half, and I really do think Tyrone are being hyped up a bit too much for this game.

That's not to say I don't think they're serious contenders for Sam. I just haven't seen evidence this Championship that warrants it. Mickey Harte seems to have realised that the old heads don't have the legs for 70 minutes, so that'll be a big boost. But I really feel this Dublin team is being underestimated - regardless of whether it was a free or not against Kildare, they had them comfortably beaten and they were down to 14 men for the majority of the 2nd half. I realise they're overly reliant on Bernard Brogan, but take out any forward of his class from any team and see how they do.

Reading over my message I seem overly critical of Tyrone, this isn't intended. I just feel the Dubs should be seen as favourites for this game! Best of luck to both sides, we'll see the winners in 3 weeks!

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 05/08/2011 18:23:06    1004475

Appreciate what your sayin Joe but look at Stephen O'Neill as an example. He is a player at least in the same category as Brogan and he was out of the team in 2008 and Tyrone still went on to win the AI. Dublin would have zero chance without Bernard. Therein lies the difference I respectfully think between these two teams.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 05/08/2011 19:17:05    1004517

No pressure on this Tyrone side at all, they have their All Irelands in the bag. This is Dublin's big test, they are the fitter side but do they have the belief? Tyrone are a better footballing team but their legs will probably lose it; Roscommon ran straight through Tyrone at times and only the greatness of Sean Cavanagh won it in the end.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9829 - 05/08/2011 19:22:37    1004521

joesoap.
i think you are being over criticial and biased as well , tyrone have nothing to prove they have being there and done it with a team 3 a1 in six years , now they have the experience and youth blended with youth to claim their fourth , they did not have to get out of second gear afgainst roscommon , if we get passed dublin tommorrow night and i hope we do , we will have the firepower and experience to dispose of a very lucky donegal team who i believe have been hyped and have yet to reach the heights this current tyrone team have , come back then joe ;D.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 05/08/2011 19:25:29    1004525

ULSTERMAN.
i cannot understand why everyone is on about tired legs , we have 5/6 youngt and very talented LEGS THAT CAN RUN NOW , i think harte has sorted that department out .. ;D.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 05/08/2011 19:27:27    1004528

JoeSoap
County: Donegal
Posts: 304

1004475 I feel Tyrone have been talked up a bit too much after the Roscommon game. Roscommon reminded me of Donegal a few years ago when we were reaching All-Ireland q/f's and that semi against Armagh, a team on the cusp with some extremely talented footballers but not really the belief. When they went 4 up they really should've kicked on in the first half, but Cavanagh popped up with that great goal. The Tyrone full back line was being torn apart by the Rossies two inside forwards that half, and I really do think Tyrone are being hyped up a bit too much for this game.

Given that the Tyrone half back line was AWOL for most of the first half its not a bit wonder the full back line got a touch. Would you fancy Donegal's full back line without 6 men in front of them?

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 05/08/2011 19:31:37    1004530

Even though i think dublin will win its basically a fairly insignifcant affair my sources down in cork have told me that when we got beat last week the cup was sent down by cart and pony to kerry for engraving

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 05/08/2011 19:39:40    1004539

Tyrone have the slowest Half/Forward line left in the championship

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 05/08/2011 19:45:02    1004549

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 3946

1004521 No pressure on this Tyrone side at all, they have their All Irelands in the bag. This is Dublin's big test, they are the fitter side but do they have the belief? Tyrone are a better footballing team but their legs will probably lose it; Roscommon ran straight through Tyrone at times and only the greatness of Sean Cavanagh won it in the end.

As poor an analysis of a game I have ever read.

Roscommon ran through Tyrone at times: Can you tell me specifically how many goal chances Roscommon created? Even their goal was an error by our keeper. Yes without doubt in the first half when Tyrone played like a team a wee bit too confident, abandoning their system and leaving their full back line totally exposed Roscommon created scoring chances. Mind you a junior team in Tyrone would create chances if you left two top class forwards with an ocean of space in front of them. (See Derry v Armagh for another example)

In the second half Tyrone went back to basics and played the system they know and apply well. Tyrone outscored Roscommon 3-13 to 0-7 from the 26th minute to the end of the game. Of that 3-13 Cavanagh got 2-1, a good goal and good point. The second goal was laid on a plate. So although he played well the team scored another 1-16 spread amongst 8 players. In the last 20 minutes Tyrone looked a far stronger and fitter team so I cannot understand why you feel their legs will let them down. As far as I mind only 4 of the 15 that ended the match are over 30 and Dooher only played a half.

I appreciate that Dublin will pose a far greater challenge and have better players than Roscommon however, Tyrone have not had to hit top gear in any game for anymore than 10-15 minutes to win, the Donegal game excepted. Even in that game, if they had taken the chances on offer in the first half Donegal would be playing Dublin and not Tyrone.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 05/08/2011 20:01:36    1004563

OK ta fair enough but what about the desire and fight? Last year Tyrone threw away a Dublin game that previously they would have strolled especially in the last 10 mins; a Tyrone side not tired would have dug it out previously.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9829 - 05/08/2011 20:02:02    1004564

Regards Ta32. I appreciate that you are on the Donegal border but to suggest they are lucky is a wee bit wide of the mark. Did somene not say, "The harder I work the luckier I seem to get". The same could be said about Donegal. Hard Hard work

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 05/08/2011 20:04:34    1004567

tomaoo7
County: Dublin
Posts: 5671

1004549 Tyrone have the slowest Half/Forward line left in the championship


Thank god its not a race then!

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 05/08/2011 20:08:19    1004571

ulsterman.
what i am saying is tyrone now with donnalley , coney , sean o neill swift , peter harte , have extra dimension and firpower that will reflect in them hopefully not hiiting 17 wides tommorrow night , and most of all ulsterman the hunger is back , just when tyrone are starting to tick nicely again , also i would have liked to see aidan cassidy starting tommorrow as well , they are hungry young ones there now with the in form sean cavanagh ;D... BELIEVE

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 05/08/2011 20:28:00    1004579

omaghredhand.
regards to your good self , they had a fair bit of luck with the kildare game , yes they did work hard but they were extremly luck against tyrone in the semi final of ulster that goal tyrone gave away and the amount of wides they hit , cannot see that happening twice in one season if we play them in the semi final of the all ireland . bottom line they have been lucky so far , this donegal side will not win a all ireland honest ipinion .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 05/08/2011 20:32:04    1004581