What the hell is going on in Norway. What did they do to ever upset anyone? I can only presume something oil related?

Anyway, it's yet more terrible, needless destruction of human life.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 22/07/2011 18:37:15    992370

What happened in Norway was mass immigration from Muslim countries. They have a big muslim population hence you will always find extremists among them. That is what happens when you have an open door immigration policy. Ireland was a joke for a while with giving passports to everyone. Thankfully that loophole has been closed.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 22/07/2011 19:05:48    992396

A terrible atrocity alright.

Quick comment about the RTE bulletin. In it, they spoke of how a "cleric" had been suspected of having a connection to this. Was it an Islamic cleric? Or a Catholic cleric? Or a Hindu cleric? Or a Sikh cleric?

Why didn't they use the term "Islamic cleric"? In all of the lynch-mob style coverage of the Cloyne Report, the perpetrators were at all times identified (and rightfully so) as Catholic priests. So why is there such sensitivity shown when a "cleric" of the "Religion of Peace" is involved in a terrorist attack?

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 22/07/2011 19:06:07    992397

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Its religion Seamus, all are equally preposterous.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 22/07/2011 19:31:19    992417

They have troops in Afghanistan, and are members of NATO. They were legitimate targets for Islamic terrorists.

What is interesting about this attack was that it seems Islamic terrorists were responsible for the bomb, but a far-right political group has been blamed for the shooting.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 22/07/2011 19:44:24    992428

Some terrible pictures coming out of Oslo with reports of dozens of people killed. Some news stations are saying possible radical Islamic group with maybe connections to home grown Norwegian Islamists. Possible start of revenge attacks against Westerners for Bin Laden?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 22/07/2011 19:54:39    992441

Sickening events unfolding there.I hope the people of Norway have the resolve to get them through it.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 22/07/2011 20:14:22    992465

Looks like folk were too quick to blame islamists for this. No no just a right wing nut job to blame. Thankfully we don't have many of those here in ireland.......

stranmillis29 (Antrim) - Posts: 788 - 23/07/2011 09:04:01    992562

A shocking day in Norway. The mind can't comprehend it really.

People far too quick to jump to the wrong conclusions even though they knew absolutely nothing about Norway which says a lot.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 23/07/2011 10:12:56    992585

Yeah! Bet it was them Muslims! Serves Norway right for letting any of them into their country! Not that those pinko liberals at RTE would ever admit as much!

Wait, what's this?

08.22 Oslo police say the suspect Anders Behring Breivik's website indicates he has right-wing, Christian-fundamentalist orientation. Police have charged him for both the bomb blast and Utoya shooting. (Daily Telegraph)

Yeah well, whatever...

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 23/07/2011 10:26:30    992591

Seamus89
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Quick comment about the RTE bulletin. In it, they spoke of how a "cleric" had been suspected of having a connection to this. Was it an Islamic cleric? Or a Catholic cleric? Or a Hindu cleric? Or a Sikh cleric?

Why didn't they use the term "Islamic cleric"? In all of the lynch-mob style coverage of the Cloyne Report, the perpetrators were at all times identified (and rightfully so) as Catholic priests. So why is there such sensitivity shown when a "cleric" of the "Religion of Peace" is involved in a terrorist attack?

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What do you make of RTE'S bulletin now Seamus? I assume the same applies in reverse - they were just trying to make it look like Islamic terror by saying cleric rather than clergy I assume no?

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 23/07/2011 10:56:16    992604

paddyogall
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992396
What happened in Norway was mass immigration from Muslim countries. They have a big muslim population hence you will always find extremists among them

You'll always find extremists in any group unfortunately.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 23/07/2011 11:11:06    992611

Now now folks, early media reports yesterday were blaming Islamic terrorists, so dont be claiming a moral victory because the HS right got it wrong. This should silence ye.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-culprits-idUSTRE76L4K020110722

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 23/07/2011 11:13:33    992613

Whereangelsplay/Abhainn

My question still stands. If it was a Catholic cleric, they should have said so. And if it was an Islamic cleric, they should have said so. That information was relevant, and it should have been reported. So I don't apologise for raising the question.

But as for your basic point, I concede. I jumped to the conclusion that it was an Islamic terrorist attack, and I was wrong. I'd imagine that many people's first reaction was that it must have been related to Islamic extremism. Be honest, is that not what went through your heads? What about when you heard that planes had struck the World Trade Center? Or that trains in Madrid had been blown up? Or that there had been explosions on the London tube? I admit that I was wrong, but don't come off all holier than thou.

As for the attack itself, utterly disgusting. If ever there was a case for the death penalty to be restored in Norway, this is it. Life imprisonment is far too lenient for this monster.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 23/07/2011 11:18:44    992617

Ah yes Slash, but RTE, as was pointed at by our good Seamus, did not - it did what all good non biased reporting is supposed to do (as Seamus and others have been clamouring for it to do) - it did not comment on 'suspicion' like that Reuters article, which is ridiculously bad reporting - it says at the beginning it is highly difficult to point fingers, but then proceeds to do so anyway, in line with the reporters own agenda. RTE remained neutral and waited for facts/statement from Norwegian authorities to arrive before making snap judgements. I would trust anyone with a modicum of intelligence to be able to tell the difference between politically driven drivel like that article, from however reputable a source, and a fact based neutral assessment.

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 23/07/2011 11:26:00    992621

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992617 Whereangelsplay/Abhainn

My question still stands. If it was a Catholic cleric, they should have said so. And if it was an Islamic cleric, they should have said so. That information was relevant, and it should have been reported. So I don't apologise for raising the question.

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I know what you mean - but the early police briefing said there was likely religious fundamentalist involvment - without stating which religion.

As for the death penalty, I am against it, but I absolutely see your point - if ever there was a case. This is revolting.

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 23/07/2011 11:28:22    992623

MesAmis
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992585 A shocking day in Norway. The mind can't comprehend it really.

People far too quick to jump to the wrong conclusions even though they knew absolutely nothing about Norway which says a lot.

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Well said.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 23/07/2011 11:52:02    992638

My question still stands. If it was a Catholic cleric, they should have said so. And if it was an Islamic cleric, they should have said so. That information was relevant, and it should have been reported. So I don't apologise for raising the question.

I wasn't making any specific point about that particular, it was more an aside about your attempt to shoehorn allegations of RTE bias into every possible debate. But since you asked - do you actually know if the gentleman in question was a Muslim cleric?

But as for your basic point, I concede. I jumped to the conclusion that it was an Islamic terrorist attack, and I was wrong. I'd imagine that many people's first reaction was that it must have been related to Islamic extremism. Be honest, is that not what went through your heads? What about when you heard that planes had struck the World Trade Center? Or that trains in Madrid had been blown up? Or that there had been explosions on the London tube? I admit that I was wrong, but don't come off all holier than thou.

Just because many people are prejudiced and immediately believe that terrorist bomb = muslims, it doesn't make their assumptions ok. There's a hell of a difference between having a first reaction vs. speculating wildly and confidently to the whole of the internet.

As for the attack itself, utterly disgusting. If ever there was a case for the death penalty to be restored in Norway, this is it. Life imprisonment is far too lenient for this monster.

You don't support the death penalty, remember?

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 23/07/2011 11:58:34    992645

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html

It appears that it may have been Christian fudanmentalists that carried out the attack. Its easy to blame the Muslims I suppose and that was wrong.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 23/07/2011 12:05:06    992652

Firstly, if you examine my post, I didn't speculate wildly or confidently. In fact, I had only seen the bulletin on RTE. Paddyogall speculated wildly, but I sure didn't. Now he's seeing it was 'Christian fundamentalists' who did this, because the guy described himself as Christian on his Facebook page. More speculation. Hey, maybe it was his Facebook usage that turned him into a monster?

As for the death penalty, I'm just saying that someone who murders 90 people (and that will probably rise further) in cold blood might, I emphasise, might, deserve to be hanged. Alternatively, the Navy SEALS could execute him with a series of shots to the head while he was unarmed. That was an execution that was recently carried out in Pakistan. You might remember it, it was in the news recently. Ultimately, it aint up to me to decide how Norway treats its mass murderers.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 23/07/2011 12:17:21    992667