stekhli:

Lee has been injured most of the year and missed most of the league so I'll be surprised if he does, also their are forces are work as far as i can make out keeping lee off the team one of the galway lads mentioned this on the galway forum but didn't want to go into detail. Also regan did not play in 2009 as he was dropped from the panel not really something that would happen to a top player now is it.

Go into google and do an advanced search using hoganstand.com/galway and search for tony og regan and john lee and you'll see who the majority of the fans rate. they only reason why regan is in there is because lee hasn't been there due to injury, focusing on his finals or for some strange reason the manager not picking him.

Also I suppose it's not fair comparing honan and callinan as callinan had a higher scoring average that honan in his first year, honan has failed to produce at senior level as of yet . Honan can be dangerous but he's the sort of player that things have to go right for him and he dosen't win his own ball that the big problem with his game and you acknowleges that himself i think when he said his aerial ability needs to be improved.

I don't think clare are making the progress people were expecting they are still in division 2 and they last championship game they played they got hammered by 13 points by dublin who have even improved a lot since then. Clare have pretty much the same personel and their form hasn't pointed to the a change from that. I'll say it again I think clare have taken a step back under the sparrow what do you think. seems you are judging this team on its u21 legacy or are you seeing something in their recent form I'm not seeing. Clare if they get their act together can be dangerous but in my view they are not close to doing that.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 12:40:17    957866

gigoer im a bloke by the way , im both confident and wary about saturday nights game , but hugely excited about it also , its brilliant to have the knowledge that dublin have a fighting chance of winning this which couldnt have been said in years gone , my confidence stems from seeing galways team , their midfield lacks experience and any real physical presence and there fb line looks dodgy , while their half forward line is big and strong it lacks talent and any real scoring threat , my waryness comes from galway and most othertaditional hurling counties raising their performance substantially from league to championship which im sure galwaywill do like limerick , waterford , tipp , kk , offaly and cork have already done im not sure if we can possibly raise it from the league as all the playersperformed out of their skin and put everything into which was graet to see , anyway it should be a good game and will be every competitive , both teams have big prospects for this yaer and a loss would be a massive blow tot hose prospects , ive just seen nicky oconnell is a doubt with a chest infection , that would be a massive loss to the banner as hes been theirmost consistant player , he is absolute quality abrendan maher type player , with great skill , vision and point scoring ability

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 16/06/2011 12:50:16    957877

Also clare seem to have a few injuries now and the in my view lacks leadership due to not having many expireanced players on the team the likes of carmondy anf griffin would give this but it seems they've ruled themselves out. I team needs a right blend between youth and expireance and clare at present only have the youth factor they need expireance to compete at senior.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 13:05:07    957899

"that would be a massive loss to the banner as hes been theirmost consistant player , he is absolute quality abrendan maher type player"

That's my point about strenght and dept of the squad tipp have a good replacement for maher in ger ryan even though the likes of henessy is also injured and saying that still have cover provided by woodlock. Can clare produce replacesments like that?

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 13:10:18    957905

All respect to clare im not sure where this confidence is coming from 4 debutants and as hag pointed out v little leadership whereas tipp have o brien corbett kelly dunne and more blended with a very talented youth with medals at all levels in their back pockets also with the expierence of coming through tight games....Where are clare coming from second in a very poor div 2 and a very young panel yes with potential but not a prayer this weekend it all points to a hammering people need to stop romanticising about the mid 90s and deal the fact in front of them..

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 16/06/2011 13:30:50    957923

Also looking at league form this is a clare team that was beaten by Laois and limerick and also only scrapped by antrim by a point they were fighting for 2nd place and if they have moved on as much as you claim they should have got promoted..... I find it hard to believe that they'll they'll live up to the potential they have in such a short time frame after the league.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 13:42:36    957937

"that would be a massive loss to the banner as hes been theirmost consistant player , he is absolute quality abrendan maher type player"

That's my point about strenght and dept of the squad tipp have a good replacement for maher in ger ryan even though the likes of henessy is also injured and saying that still have cover provided by woodlock. Can clare produce replacesments like that?
HAG_AND_CHEESE , 16/06/2011 at 13:10

why? did he get a young hurler of the year like Brendan Maher?

I dont think so!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 16/06/2011 13:45:36    957940

Il bet all these so called injured Clare players will make a miraculous recovery about ten minutes before throw in
Sparrow is trying on the old Loughnane tactics

anyway I hope they are all playing as they will need them all

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 16/06/2011 13:48:27    957947

cormac odonovan and cian dillon arent bad replacements to have hag and cheese in fairness

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 16/06/2011 14:09:49    957983

Sundays score

Tipp 4-20
Clare 1-19

Lar 1-2
Callinan 1-3
the legend 2-6
Noel McGrath 0-5
Johno 0-2
g.ryan 0-1.
bonnar maherr 0-1

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 16/06/2011 14:17:11    957994

cormac odonovan and cian dillon arent bad replacements to have hag and cheese in fairness
stekhli , 16/06/2011 at 14:09


who?

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 16/06/2011 14:39:34    958018

16/06/2011 12:10:47
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Patriquw:
Better to be arrogant than be boring though.



True.

But Tipp's arrogance is boring, especially as they lag behind BIG counties like Galway and Offaly over the last 40 years or so.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 16/06/2011 15:11:10    958040

cormac odonovan and cian dillon arent bad replacements to have hag and cheese in fairness

One is a back the other is a forward neither is a midfield also dillion played both games in the chamionship last season so really isn't a replacement.

The one thing clare are lacking on the field is leadership, look at the 97 team they may not have had natural hurlers at every position on the field but the one thing they had was leadership on the team, I cannot see natural leaders on the clare team leadership comes with expireance. Look at lar corbett early in his career he would not be counted as a leader but over time has developed into one.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 15:20:05    958051

"But Tipp's arrogance is boring, especially as they lag behind BIG counties like Galway and Offaly over the last 40 years or so. "

Actually we'er just slightly ahead to be fair 1 all-ireland ahead of offaly and 2 ahead of galway..... if your going to wum at least get your wumming facts right!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 15:27:02    958066

dillon successfully played mid during the league for clare , odonovan was mom in the all ireland u21 final in 2009 from midfield but can play wing forward just as well , the likes of vaughan , oconnell , donnellan , conlan , honan have stood up and been counted for clare over the last while

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 16/06/2011 15:57:12    958101

dillon successfully played mid during the league for clare
Sorry clare didn't have a successful league campaign if they did they would have been promoted, they were beaten 3 times and scraped past antrim aswell. Also there's a big difference between playing midfield u21 and senior. Tipp have other cover midfield, Noel mcgrath playes mid-field for the u21's this year and much of last year lar corbett was moved out around midfield against cork also mainly as a third midfielder. They only place I don't think tipp have the best cover is corner back, conolly and coughlan had inconsistant league campaigns but what ever you say about paddy "the saint" stapleton he has been a good proformer for tipp the last game against cork was the poorest I've seen him play mainly because he gave away too many soft free's and I still don't think clare have enough top class forwards to take advantage of tipp, I expect O'mahony to be back and he'll make a difference, he's they sort of center back I like he dose a lot of covering behind half backs and linking with the full back line, padraig maher is a slighly different player in my view he one of the best to win his own ball and brake out of defense and if they do move conlan out the field it gives o'mahony more room to do what he dose best. Saying that I think Declan ryan will start padraig maher in the center.

"the likes of vaughan , oconnell , donnellan , conlan , honan have stood up and been counted for clare over the last while "

Vaughan is the only one i would have rated as standing up over that time sorry the rest have not produced at senior level yet you are basing much of what you say about such players on what they have achieved U21 there is a massive difference between u21 and senior. Honan and conlan played alright against waterford last year but got totally wiped out against dublin.

Have a look at the following
http://www.hurlingstats.com/show_team_matches.php?temid=3
and see if they have indeed stood up and been counted..... that my point about clare they have potential but as of yet havn't shown it and do not lead me to believe that there'll be a massive turnabout for the tipp match. Clare are a team for the future when the lads from the u21 get a bit more expireance and they start to bring throught players from a decent minor team they had a year or two ago. The sparrow even said that in an interview in the paper today saying they are about 5/6 players off being up there with the top teams. Clare are a work in progress and I've no doubt they be back in a year or two but as of yet they are not progressing as well as many would have expected!! I expected clare to get promoted this year but it worked out that they were even fighting for 2nd position in division 2.

If clare showed somewhat of the form limerick showed in the league i would give them a better chance but they had a bad league in a division that they should be easily getting throught if they have the credentials you say they have.... sorry they have not proved themselves what so ever yet and i think they have taken a step back under the sparrow especially loosing the likes of carmondy, quinn and brian o'connell especally the latter as he was a ready made replacement for colin lynch and sorry no-one you mentioned midfield comes near either player in regards senior championship players. In a year or two maybe but not yet.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 16:51:38    958162

stekhli:

P.s I'm fairly sure dillion played much of the league at center back!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 17:00:53    958176

i think a lot of the players on the clare team have showed glimpses of what they are capable of honan against waterford last yr and limerick in the league final , conlan performed well in those games also , ryan against tipp ironically in 2009 , sean collins against waterford last year , mcgrath against tipp in the u21 munster last year they have shown that they can do it , whos to say they wont come sunday at 4 , dillon played a few games in the league at mf and did relatively well so he can be used as an option

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 16/06/2011 18:47:31    958291

16/06/2011 15:27:02
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"But Tipp's arrogance is boring, especially as they lag behind BIG counties like Galway and Offaly over the last 40 years or so. "

Actually we'er just slightly ahead to be fair 1 all-ireland ahead of offaly and 2 ahead of galway..... if your going to wum at least get your wumming facts right!!



I am well aware of how many all Ireland's each county won at senior level in the last 40 years. However I was talking about overall, underage, colleges, IMPACT, leagues and the whole picture.

And Galway are certainly well ahead of Tipp, and Offaly were.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 16/06/2011 19:41:10    958333

Patrique:

"underage, colleges, IMPACT, leagues and the whole picture" I supposeing accord to your sumation anyway I suppose your using your measure too which mainly centeres "we beat them and they beat you" wasn't part of your reasoning last year that cork beat tipp by 10 and cork beat antrim by less there fore antrim are better than tipp.

Is there a college in offaly I take it your talking about 3rd level.

Good man pat I'll give you one thing anyways your entertaining with you non sensical ramblings..... we know you don't like tipp and your reasons are firmily based in history twas around the 1960's you developed your dislike right, 50+ years of holding a grudge, maybe about time you finished off that bridge and got over it.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 16/06/2011 20:06:21    958356