thurlesblues pick out from my post what is wrong while removing your blue and gold tinted galsses

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 13/06/2011 20:45:24    955646

as i said before clare are just or if not more talented then tipp its just experience and physicallity that will seperate these two sides , i expect an extremely poooooooor crowd at the gaelic ggrounds on sunday but i also expect it to be a cracker with clare going close , the likes of oconnell , conlan , mcgrath , collins , honan , ryan , cooney are class players and will be among the best in thir positionin a couple of years time but unfortunately 2011 wont be a year for them as i expect an early exit for them loosing to either wexford or galway
stekhli , 13/06/2011 at 20:39


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stekhli are you telling me that Clare have players of the calibre of Noel McGrath Callinan Eoin Kelly Lar Corbett JohnO Brien Bonnar Maher up front and Mahony Maher Curran Cahill at the back?

Wake up man!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 13/06/2011 20:46:32    955651

as i said before clare are just or if not more talented then tipp its just experience and physicallity that will seperate these two sides ,

That is what is wrong with your post Stekhli as Tipp are in a different class to Clare
thats why Tipp are All Ireland champions and Clare are in division 2 of the league for the last two years.

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 13/06/2011 20:48:52    955654

it was the older players that got clare relegated , the likes of griffin , carmondy , quinn etc werent bringing clare anywhere and sparrow rightfully got rid of them and started from scratch in 2010 where they basically played with an u21 team , they are much better this year but unfortunately didnt get promoted due to loosing a very tight game against a more experienced team in limerick , technically honan is every bit as good as lar corbett if not better conlan is a better player then callanan , maher and obrien but the difference with tipps young players like maherx3 and callanan and mcgrath is they had kelly and corbett to leaad them into battle , honan and conlan had lynch? mcmahon? oconnell is just a s good as brendan maher but doesnt have an experienced player to fall back on like mcgrath , oconnell is already clares md general , you see my point thurlesblues?

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 13/06/2011 20:57:30    955667

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as i said before clare are just or if not more talented then tipp its just experience and physicallity that will seperate these two sides

Irrespective of the result or the likely result next Sunday, that is a crazy statement to come out with. Tipp are the All-Ireland champions, been in the last two all-ireland finals and have won the league and Munster Championship in recent years.
When was the last time Clare won something? I'm not having a go at Clare but you'd want to come back when ye've at least won something like the league division 1, Munster or All-Ireland.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8879 - 13/06/2011 21:10:30    955690

hey i didnt say this clare team is better then tipp , they obviously arent all i said is they have the talent and raw material to be every bit as good as tipp if not better , clare have an exceptional bunch of inexperienced and young players at their disposal , players like honan , mcgrath , conlan , oconnell , odonovan x2 , dillon come along in ablue moon , these guys have all come through hurling together , just like the likes of mcgrath , maher x3 , cahill and callanan have come through together and they are a weaker bunch right there then the aforementioned clare players

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 13/06/2011 21:18:21    955706

Tipp have a lethal forward line that will blow away any team in the country. I can't see Clare coming within 10 points of them. I also feel Tipp will have too much for Waterford. Despite Dublins excellent progress I expect them to fall to Galway, who in turn will go down to KK. I'm taking Cork and either Limerick or Dublin to make the quarters. (depending on draw).Regardless of who make the semis, I predict a Tipp/KK final which could go either way.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 13/06/2011 21:36:41    955722

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955556 They would have done the same as Waterford, having to dig really deep to beat a skilful, well trained and determined Limerick team.
Richieq , 13/06/2011 at 19:39

Tipp u21s would beat Limerick richieq
do you remember 09 when Tipp beat them 24 points in the All Ireland semi?

Do you know that Tipp are a far more powerful force in 2011 to 2009!!
13/06/2011 19:57:50

Yes I do remember it, I also remember Kilkenny beating Tipp 5-17 to 1-12 in March 2009 and things changed in 2010, past matches do not reflect the current position. Tipperary may well turn out to be more powerful than in 2009, if they win the All Ireland, and there is a bit of hurling to be played before that is decided.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 13/06/2011 21:43:56    955731

tipp are a very good team but are extremely overated , i still think kk will win the ai due to the lack of ability in tipps backline and their lightweight midfield since b maher got injured , the like sof mcgratgh , callanan and corbett are players easily put off unlike the likes of power , shefflin and larkin ........its amazing the amount of people vying for tipp to win the ai around here and in the media , they have great forwrads in mcgrath , kelly and corbett but arent anything special in defence and have one of the weakest hb lines in munster

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 13/06/2011 21:46:15    955734

Stekhli:

Overrated fair enough I suppose that's why the last 2 all-ireland finals have probably been the worst hurling finals I've ever seen!!!

The clare players from the u21 team are good players but if you look at counties such as limerick and galway that dosen't guarantee success!! Limerick won 3 all-ireland u21's in a row and didn't make the brake through. The likes of Honan granted is a skillful player but it seems he's inconsistent and dosen't put in the work rate. He reminds me of seamus callanin of tipp can be brilliant but can go missing too. Was talking to a clare lad from his own club and he agreed totally with me.

If anything this clare team has taken a step back under sparrow and is not living up to its potential and I can see them doing it this year either. Granted they are a treat with the players they have but I'd say tipp by 5/6.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 14/06/2011 09:11:02    955770

Yes I do remember it, I also remember Kilkenny beating Tipp 5-17 to 1-12 in March 2009 and things changed in 2010, past matches do not reflect the current position. Tipperary may well turn out to be more powerful than in 2009, if they win the All Ireland, and there is a bit of hurling to be played before that is decided.
Richieq , 13/06/2011 at 21:43

cant see Waterford Clare or Kilkenny stopping them though!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 14/06/2011 09:33:58    955784

Yes I do remember it, I also remember Kilkenny beating Tipp 5-17 to 1-12 in March 2009 and things changed in 2010, past matches do not reflect the current position. Tipperary may well turn out to be more powerful than in 2009, if they win the All Ireland, and there is a bit of hurling to be played before that is decided.
Richieq , 13/06/2011 at 21:43

dont confuse league with championship Richieq that was a league match in February
Kilkenny only beat Tipp after extra time that year in the league final and robbed Tipp in the All Ireland final
thats where you fall dowm you see

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 14/06/2011 09:35:45    955788

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955734 tipp are a very good team but are extremely overated , i still think kk will win the ai due to the lack of ability in tipps backline and their lightweight midfield since b maher got injured , the like sof mcgratgh , callanan and corbett are players easily put off unlike the likes of power , shefflin and larkin ........its amazing the amount of people vying for tipp to win the ai around here and in the media , they have great forwrads in mcgrath , kelly and corbett but arent anything special in defence and have one of the weakest hb lines in munster
Also Padraic Maher is the best centre back in the country


cats are the ones with the weak full back line stekhli
Lar Corbett proved that last year when he scored 3 goals off them and we scored 4 to their one
Yeah we have a weak full backline alright I suppose!!!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 14/06/2011 09:39:45    955790

firstly maher isnt the best center back in ireland , brick walsh is and then tony og regan , and young and okeeffe are hardly proven class at this stage , omahony is a center back and not a wing back anyway and will probably be playing wing back , can you imagine what a fast wing forwrad like larkin would do to omahony and tipps fb line is nothing special , stapleton was badly exploited against cork the last day and the same will happen against clare as conor mcgrarth is a top class young player , cahill is good ill give you that but doesnt have much of aclearance , eddie connolly is awful , john coghlan should be braught into the fb line

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 14/06/2011 10:19:37    955825

tony og regan isn't even the best center back on the galway team John Lee is, also I take your critism of young did not have one of his best games but the likes of kilkenny already had a chance to have a go at O'mahony in both finals and he excelled in both games, O'mahony has had trouble with injuries over the last few years, had a car crash and glandular fever which took a long time to recover from but when fully fit he's one of the best in the country. Also at present he is being advised by doctors to take a brake from the game for 3 months as he's still not fully right but credit to the man he refused and when he did come on against cork he changed the game.

The corner backs were not the best against cork the last day but have been one of the first two players on the team sheet over the last few years.... boss can you not give a team a bit of credit??? They were asked the asking if they could beat kilkenny who arguably have been one of the best teams ever and they beat them.

What about the weaknesses in the clare team that tipp can exploit?? The clare midfield isn't any great shakes especially since o'connell emmigrated and the clare back line isn't that strong either so before you try and point of your perceived weakness's in the tipp team examin if clare would be able to exploit them.... as bad as you say the tipp full back line were against cork (granted they were not as good as they normally are) they still didn't concede a goal and goals win games. If it is to be a close game normally thats when a strong panel comes into it tipp have the strongest panel I've seen in a long time have clare this strenght and dept??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 14/06/2011 10:39:49    955848

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955298 Thurlesblouse
If they could hurl as good as you can blow they would have many more won.
they are obviously able to hurl a lot better than Waterford shrewdjudge if you take those facts into account.

Funny seems the facts say that Waterford have won more Munster Championships in the last 10 years then Tipp, they have 4 and Tipp have 3

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 14/06/2011 10:40:10    955849

im not underating tipps achievement of beating the greatest team in all time last september all im doing is pointing at their weaknesses that everyone overlooks and pretends arent there , i made the rather controversial statement earlier that vlare are just a s talented as tipp and i stand by that and i also stand by that tipp arent a s good as what they are made out to be , one of the latest posts states that they have never seen anything like the strength and depth of this tipp team , sure clare dont have that yet as they are still young and developing the whole time but at the same time who do tipp bring on when they are in trouble ? david young , woodlock , pa and shane bourke , benny dunn even? nto many of those can be considered top class so i wouldnt read a whole lot into tipp having a mazing strenght and depth , like kerry what seperates tipp from the rest is their incredible forward line , but they arent anything special everywhere lese besides goals , as for tony og being a bad centre back are you serious he completely cleaned out tipps hf line last july and has kept up the form this year , maher has played cb for a spring and thats all , completely unproven at this level

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 14/06/2011 11:31:58    955908

Stehki is talking a fair bit of crap. Yeah our fb line is crap alright, the only conceded one goal last september and Padraic Maher was heroic at centre back. The jury is out on O'Keefe but i like what i see. O'Mahony will be back, he is a class act. Stapleton had an off day the last day out but he had an injury going in so i assume he is ok. Curran is strong. Not sure what you mean by Larkin, Power and Hogan being less likely to be put off their game, if that was the case they would have beaten us last year. ONwards and upwards, Tipperary abu.

Mulman (Tipperary) - Posts: 562 - 14/06/2011 11:43:42    955921

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955921 Stehki is talking a fair bit of crap. Yeah our fb line is crap alright, the only conceded one goal last september and Padraic Maher was heroic at centre back. The jury is out on O'Keefe but i like what i see. O'Mahony will be back, he is a class act. Stapleton had an off day the last day out but he had an injury going in so i assume he is ok. Curran is strong. Not sure what you mean by Larkin, Power and Hogan being less likely to be put off their game, if that was the case they would have beaten us last year. ONwards and upwards, Tipperary abu.

Funny how anytime a player has a bad game there ''carring an injury'' if thats the case they shouldn't play at all you would think. Since he's now injury he should have agreat game at the weekend

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 14/06/2011 12:03:11    955949

did padraig maher even play centre back last september , wasnt he wing back ? and yes your fb line is extremely vulnerable as seen by its performance against galway , cork should of had three goals the other day but fora lack of composure by horgan and a top class save by cummins , hows that crap , you guys are just to arrogant to realise you team isnt flawless

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 14/06/2011 12:17:09    955961