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Geraghty and Fay back in for Meath.

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No way have Dublin better forwards than Meath and most would admit that without B.Brogan they would struggle..

Look we have Joe Sheridan,Graham Reilly,Stephen Bray,Brian Farrell,Jamie Queeney,Shane O'Rourke,David Bray(I know he is injured),Paddy Gilsenan,Cian Ward alot of talent there... and possibly Paddy O'Rourke could make an impact.. All of those forwards would walk on the Dublin team.. However Dublin are better in all the other lines of the pitch..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/05/2011 11:18:10    936106

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To be fair these players would be too proud to line out for a crap team like Meath at this stage of their lives.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 21/05/2011 11:22:24    936110

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This is typical of what banty done with monaghan, relying on older players and trying to squeeze the life out of them. He will probably do the same with Graham Geraghty. Even if he does play well is he going to be around to play for meath for the next few years. Banty said "I'm not looking for birth certs" and never did with monaghan and that cause he never give to many young players a chance and thats why this year we eventually got a new look team. Its a wonder hes not trying to bring back the last full all ireland squad to try to win something!

Muineachain76 (Monaghan) - Posts: 180 - 21/05/2011 11:53:07    936143

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936106 No way have Dublin better forwards than Meath and most would admit that without B.Brogan they would struggle..

Look we have Joe Sheridan,Graham Reilly,Stephen Bray,Brian Farrell,Jamie Queeney,Shane O'Rourke,David Bray(I know he is injured),Paddy Gilsenan,Cian Ward alot of talent there... and possibly Paddy O'Rourke could make an impact.. All of those forwards would walk on the Dublin team.. However Dublin are better in all the other lines of the pitch..


Ziggy, I think you could be living in a bit of a fairytale, like one or two other Meath supporters. Are you serious about some of those players walking on the Dublin team? Just look at how much more the Dubs scored in Division One of the League, compared to Meath in Divison Two. Dublin averaged 4.5 points more per game. That is a lot.

Dublin have the perfect balance between attacking threat and work ethic. Meath, on the other hand, have a group of placid lazy individuals who are only any good when the ball is in their hands, and five yards of open space exists in front of them.

By the way here are the Dublin forward's who played in the League Final:
B Cullen, K McManamon, P Flynn, B Brogan, D Connolly, T Quinn.

Here are Meath's who played Tyrone in last round of the League:
S Kenny, S O'Rourke, G Reilly, P O'Rourke, J Sheridan, C Ward.

Here's what a combination of the two might look like:
B Cullen, K McManamon, G Reilly, B Brogan, D Connolly, T Quinn.

Had Alan Brogan started, I'd replace Reilly with him. Had Stephen Bray started, I'd replace Mossy Quinn with him. Unfortunetely for you Ziggy, and other Meath supporters, that is the sad reality of where Meath presently reside in the current football landscape. Convincing ourselves that we have good forwards just because we put up big scores against Offaly, and Laois at the second attempt, is ignoring the truth. Other results last year, as well as the League paints a different picture.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 21/05/2011 12:06:18    936153

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Going back to the league?? Come on you know better than that!! Most of Dublins games where in Croke Park,big open spaces when teams are not fit!!

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/05/2011 12:27:35    936178

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A lot of Dubd wouldn't even have Quinn on the Dublin team... Only B.Brogan and Mcm would be on the Meath forward line..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/05/2011 12:30:53    936184

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this is what a meath / dublin forward combo would look like , cullen , orourke , reilly , brogan , sheridan , brogan

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 21/05/2011 12:52:41    936207

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936207 this is what a meath / dublin forward combo would look like , cullen , orourke , reilly , brogan , sheridan , brogan
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you forgot geraghty!

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1737 - 21/05/2011 12:56:34    936213

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meath posters seem to be a bit deluded as regards their team , reilly and sheridan are the only players that are proven top class players , possibly shane orourke , the rest are average , brays had one good season , farrell is hot and cold, paddy orourke and gilseanan are unproven , queeney isnt great , at the end of the day meath have to many forwards who are of the same mode , orourke , sheridan , orourke and queeney are all more or less the same reilly is a class act and gives so much to meath , what seperates kerry is they have forward who all do different things , dec osullivan is a fantastic ball carrier , galvin is a breaking ball master and leader , donaghy is a ball winner , darran osullivan is the speed merchant gooch is the finisher , walsh is the work horse , thers a huge imbalance within the meath forward line at the end of the day

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 21/05/2011 13:00:31    936216

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Yeah you know its the championship when the "Geraghty makes comeback" story gets wheeled out, if its through he'll have to be wheeled out anyway.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4957 - 21/05/2011 13:04:12    936220

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sligo - galway replay was also excellent , connacht and munster final were fantastic games , cork - dublin as well , the all ireland was also a great spectacle , you guys dont know what you are talking about when you are saying gaelic is boring as your just basing it on one game ,soccer should have a whole pile of rule changes based on the barca v real semi final in the champions league yeah?

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3121 - 21/05/2011 13:09:32    936227

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Joe Sheridan is not that outstanding Stekhli. I cannot remember a big game where he played well, perhaps the Mayo Quarter-Final two years ago. But most of his best championship performances tend to come early in the championship, at provincial venues and against lesser opposition. By the way, he hasn't been playing that well recently for county, and by all accounts, club as well. I think he is just one of those players who likes to play off-the-cuff and that is why Meath fans have warmed to him so much. By no means a bad player, but I don't think he is as crucial to Meath's chances as a lot of people think. Bray, for example, is far superior.

O'Rourke kicked an abundance of wides in the League, and kicked the same amount into the goalie's hands. He looked a very prodigious talent back in 2007 but has he progressed as expected? I'm not convinced. Again a good footballer but no arguing that there's a lot better around.

I think many Meath supporters got used to see seeing these guys kick these amazing points, against teams like Offaly and Laois last year. And then it rained goals against Dublin, and everything seemed so wonderful. The luck Meath enjoyed in those games covered some blatantly obvious truths, and these were finally exposed against Louth, Kildare and once again in the League. The forwards we have are all big and awkward, with an obvious paucity of pace there. I wouldn't describe many of them as particularly good ball-winners either as most need the ball rained down on top of them creating a fairly dimensionless attack, and bar Bray and Reilly, they generally need a few yards of space to get their shot or pass away. A limited tackling presence there too, apart from Bray, most will gave away a free at the first attempt of tackling - compared to Dublin, who are able to defend in huge numbers. What you will get though from the Meath forwards is the odd stunning goal or point as all are quite good kickers once they do get the ball in hand.

At the end of last year, some tried to make O'Brien a scapegoat, and now that the Banty Express is flailing, people are pointing the finger at our backs and our midfield. When the sad reality of it all is that our forwards are just not as good as we like to think.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 21/05/2011 13:21:04    936233

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Meath do have the best selection of forwards in leinster,the creativity to them can be awful,they often have to feed on scraps..


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If this is true , Can you explain to me how Dublin are currently the top goalscorers by some distance in the 2011 calendar year not only in Leinster but in the whole country?

Dublins results so far this year (With Dublins forwards (including forwards from the bench) combined total in brackets)


O'Byrne cup - Westmeath 0-12 v 1-08 Dublin. (1-05)
O'Byrne shield - Dublin 6-10 v 1-08 Wexford. (5-09)
O'Byrne shield - Dublin 3-13 v 0-07 Offaly. (3-08)
O'Byrne shield - Dublin 2-16 v 2-14 Meath. (2-12)
League(1) - Armagh 1-11 v 2-12 Dublin. (2-08)
League(2) - Dublin 3-13 v 0-16 Cork. (2-08)
League(3) - Dublin 3-10 v 1-15 Kerry. (2-08)
League(4) - Monaghan 1-9 v 0-13 Dublin. (0-10)
League(5) - Dublin 4-15 v 3-13 Mayo. (4-12)
League(6) - Dublin 2-10 v 0-13 Down. (2-9)
League(7) - Galway 0-15 v 2-09 Dublin. (2-6)
League(F) - Cork 0-21 v 2-14 Dublin. (2-12)


30 goals in 12 games that is .. and in all them games we scored a combined total of (30-143) with our forwards getting (27-107)

So Ziggy , How do you explain your argument that you have the best forwards in Leinster. When our forwards scored 27-107 in all competitions on our way to a league final place , while your fantastic forwards only just saved you from relegation to division 3 ? ( ADMITEDLY THE LEAGUE ISN'T THE MAIN AMBITION FOR EITHER SIDE , BUT SCORES ARE SCORES AND WINS ARE WINS ) And if you want to go on stats of who have been the most dangerous forward line(s) this year , then its Dublins. So dont spout rubbish about your fantastic forwards , They are distinctly average bar Graham Reilly

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13655 - 21/05/2011 13:22:50    936236

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936216 meath posters seem to be a bit deluded as regards their team , reilly and sheridan are the only players that are proven top class players , possibly shane orourke , the rest are average , brays had one good season , farrell is hot and cold, paddy orourke and gilseanan are unproven , queeney isnt great , at the end of the day meath have to many forwards who are of the same mode , orourke , sheridan , orourke and queeney are all more or less the same reilly is a class act and gives so much to meath , what seperates kerry is they have forward who all do different things , dec osullivan is a fantastic ball carrier , galvin is a breaking ball master and leader , donaghy is a ball winner , darran osullivan is the speed merchant gooch is the finisher , walsh is the work horse , thers a huge imbalance within the meath forward line at the end of the day

Do you know something Stekhli - you talk an awful lot of sense for a Dub.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 21/05/2011 13:31:19    936244

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I definitely have to agree with Loyal, some Meath posters on here are too deluded to face up to the reality that we are no where near the top tier at the moment. Our forwards are probably the most over-hyped bunch of players in the country and have only proved their attacking prowess in one game last year which was against Dublin. Lads, don't embarrass yourselves and the county with such ridiculous statements as to suggest that our forwards would walk onto most top teams because the reality is, is that we have about 2 at most, serious forwards up front at the moment but the rest aren't really cutting it..

As regards the Geraghty comeback.. I think people are being a bit cynical. The man is a rare breed and if he's got what it takes to play senior for another year, why not..? Probably one of the most naturally gifted forwards our generation has ever seen. Think of the inspiration he'd give to all the Meath players to see him coming onto the pitch as an impact sub, maybe thats what the team needs. Also, I don't think theres too many defences that'd like to see Geraghty coming on, I think his presence alone would send shivers down any players spine..

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 790 - 21/05/2011 13:57:13    936270

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meath always play better in th proper games in th summer so we wil c who has the best forwards then

meathalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 789 - 21/05/2011 14:00:49    936273

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Banty has his thinkin cap on... thats a serious boost for the younger lads to be trainin and playin with the likes of G.G. takes focus of the players that meath will be expecting big performances from. Also puts pressure on to step up to the plate when you have a bench that can take scores all day..... even tho the forwards meath have are more than able!!......

HILL_5 (Louth) - Posts: 32 - 21/05/2011 14:04:43    936275

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wayno..

I'm not being smart but..

1.National League
2.most of Meath's first team forwards missed most of the league
3.Fitness - Dublin have been fitter than most in the league.
4.Croke Park - Big open spaces in winter? That's slighly easier to put up big scores against not the fittest of defences.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/05/2011 14:26:06    936293

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Meathalltheway

meath always play better in th proper games in th summer so we wil c who has the best forwards then

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It's actually, Meath always play better in the proper games in the summer, So we will see who has the better forwards then.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13655 - 21/05/2011 14:26:50    936294

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Ziggy.. thats enough rubbish from you.. stop fooling yourself..

RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 790 - 21/05/2011 14:28:57    936295

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