i bought the koran in easons last week , you would not believe the eyes i got its a good read but , as for islam i have many muslim friends never had a problem with them one of them is actually in libya him and his family cant get out , i was talking to him last week he said a lot of extrememists there now , i hope us in the west are proud

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 16/05/2011 16:08:55    932157

Dzeko, Yaya and Kolo Toure are all Muslim and there have been no bombs in Manchester yet.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 16/05/2011 16:55:00    932214

I have two Muslim friends who are quite liberal. Both complete Ramadan yet they do take a beer or two. One of them gave a book entitled " the life of Muhammad". An excellent read and quite enlightening. I assume that it is quite like the bible and possibly the Qu'ran in that the stories are to be interpreted as opposed to being literal in their reference. Anyhow, I find the two guys very likeable and personable and any of their friends I have met are exactly the same

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 16/05/2011 20:14:29    932419

Anyway the point i was trying to make was that there are two sides to every story. How the media portrays the situation isn't always exactly how it is especially in the case of muslims.

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 16/05/2011 21:46:50    932519

So Patrique who is this Seanie Elliott? You should go speak with the Saudi government and tell them you know how to reduce dissent and population numbers in one fell swoop.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/05/2011 09:03:38    932558

patrique
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932214
Dzeko, Yaya and Kolo Toure are all Muslim and there have been no bombs in Manchester yet.
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Thats right Patrique.........yet.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/05/2011 09:05:20    932559

I am not on the dole dhorse.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/05/2011 09:07:33    932561

I know quite a few Muslims myself. The one thing I found with them is that deep deep down, and this will upset many liberals on here, there are many similarities between the extremists and the mainstream Muslims. I went to school, a Catholic school I might add with a Muslim. He was a self confessed extremist, I kid you not. He was from Pakistan and I challenged him regularly on various issues. I recall he had a serious problem with Benizir Bhutto, mainly because she was a woman, and she held a position of authority. He hated her liberal stance, her desire for fostering stronger links with the west and her wish to crush the extremists.

This was my first contacts with a Muslim, and I suppose it embedded a deep suspicion within me about Muslims which I hold to this very day. From what I saw in school with this one guy, it forged my belief that Islam was an all conquering anti-freedom religion. He refused to look at female teachers, he said his prayers openly in class, ignoring directions from teachers. It angered me a lot at the time and everyone seemed to be bending over backwards to accommodate him and his extreme views.

Alas, I have grown up a bit since then and I have met some more Muslims. They were vastly different from the man mentioned above in that they socialised (but dont drink), they listen to music and they played sport. However, I found that once they were engaged in conversation and the topic of religion sprung up, BOOM, there you had it, that old medieval attitude once again. On the surface people can appear accommodating and friendly, but dont judge a book by its cover folks.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 17/05/2011 14:45:53    932868

Im working in Saudi, in construction with mostly Pakistani Muslim collegues. All of them have extreme religious views, ie agree with honour killings against women and such. Haven't meet a descent one yet! Dont think they like me much either!

Lebowski (Meath) - Posts: 363 - 17/05/2011 16:04:42    932986

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
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932561 I am not on the dole dhorse.

Glad to hear that, Neither am I, why are you telling me.

Still random stuff can lead us into all sorts of interesting places.

I take size 9 shoes.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 17/05/2011 20:32:26    933261

seanie_boy
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932559 patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 12591

932214
Dzeko, Yaya and Kolo Toure are all Muslim and there have been no bombs in Manchester yet.
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Thats right Patrique.........yet.

There was a big one in 1996. Irish muslims by all accounts

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 17/05/2011 20:36:21    933268

I am telling you because you suggested as much.Don't you remember doing so?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/05/2011 11:08:46    933459

Lebowski
County: Meath
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932986
Im working in Saudi, in construction with mostly Pakistani Muslim collegues. All of them have extreme religious views, ie agree with honour killings against women and such. Haven't meet a descent one yet! Dont think they like me much either!
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Is that so...............well the silence I'm sure will remain deafening on this forum.All of them Lebowski? Really? Wow,I hope they never come to our country in large numbers as they clearly do not belong in a western,christian based society.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/05/2011 11:34:01    933483

seanie_boy
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933459 I am telling you because you suggested as much.Don't you remember doing so?

Not at all, can you point it out?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2011 12:36:38    933547

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1741

933483 Lebowski
County: Meath
Posts: 319

932986
Im working in Saudi, in construction with mostly Pakistani Muslim collegues. All of them have extreme religious views, ie agree with honour killings against women and such. Haven't meet a descent one yet! Dont think they like me much either!

Wow,I hope they never come to our country in large numbers as they clearly do not belong in a western,christian based society.

what sort of figure might your undoubted tolerence be able to contend with should they decide to come to this Christian based society?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2011 12:41:02    933560

dhorse
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933547
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1741

933459 I am telling you because you suggested as much.Don't you remember doing so?

Not at all, can you point it out?
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Find it yourself,its your post.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/05/2011 18:26:39    934004

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 8052

933560
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1741

933483 Lebowski
County: Meath
Posts: 319

932986
Im working in Saudi, in construction with mostly Pakistani Muslim collegues. All of them have extreme religious views, ie agree with honour killings against women and such. Haven't meet a descent one yet! Dont think they like me much either!

Wow,I hope they never come to our country in large numbers as they clearly do not belong in a western,christian based society.

what sort of figure might your undoubted tolerence be able to contend with should they decide to come to this Christian based society?
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My preference would be for none of them to come here as I would fear for all the women of my family.Have you any comments to make on what Lebowski and scruffy2donut have just said?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/05/2011 18:29:26    934010

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1745

934010 dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 8052

933560
seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1741

933483 Lebowski
County: Meath
Posts: 319

932986
Im working in Saudi, in construction with mostly Pakistani Muslim collegues. All of them have extreme religious views, ie agree with honour killings against women and such. Haven't meet a descent one yet! Dont think they like me much either!

Wow,I hope they never come to our country in large numbers as they clearly do not belong in a western,christian based society.

what sort of figure might your undoubted tolerence be able to contend with should they decide to come to this Christian based society?
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My preference would be for none of them to come here as I would fear for all the women of my family.Have you any comments to make on what Lebowski and scruffy2donut have just said?


I cannot find the post you say I suggested you were on the dole, not that there's anything wrong with being on the dole, I could do with it myself. As regards what leboski said , I'm not that sure what his point is other than he is against extreme religious views. I totally agree with him, in fact i'have no truck with any religious groups or dogmas. It's just a tool used by evil clever people to control others that cannot think for themselves, its the ultimate in imperialism, it takes over the mind. chrisianity practically wiped out our native celtic culture, but hopefully now that it is in disgrace we regain our own culture in time.

scruffy's post is a bit more clear, he has met some muslims some extreme some not quite so extreme, I have had similar experiences myself, both with christians, muslims and jews in particular. I find his disclosure that he has grown up a BIT the most enlightning part of it.

I take it you find both posts to your liking.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2011 19:03:22    934043

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1747


My preference would be for none of them to come here as I would fear for all the women of my family.

Being a fellow Alpha male I can understand your concern at preserving your dominance over the female members of the troupe.

Unfortunately , nowadays a lot of women refuse to submit to such male dominance and tend to make up their own minds on a lot of issues. You are indeed a lucky man to still live in such a traditional manner.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 18/05/2011 19:13:09    934058

So your a heathen,good for you.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/05/2011 19:22:47    934076