Hag I've said it before and I'll say it again, I must be getting to you if you have a dossier of evidence to use against me. It's a forum man, don't take it so seriously. And what I said was correct anyway, Gaelic football generates more revenue than Hurling so how that shows me up is beyond me. Thurles I've asked you numerous times but you keep ducking the question. If Hurling is so much better why do more people play and watch Gaelic football? Please answer that, I'd hate to think you were dodging it as you don't have an answer

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 20/04/2011 13:11:00    915583

he is dodging the question

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 13:45:56    915637

Why do people play and watch football?
Answer is quite simple, football is easier to learn and it's never too late to learn, in hurling you have to be in it from an early age to play it competitively. Also, there tends to be many more football matches because hurling has a small pool of counties that compete for Liam. I would like to see more of the christy ring games but that is just the way it works. I like football but i barely remember any decent games, its a shame high fielding is a rarity nowadays. Not being biased but more hurling matches come to mind that football games for entertainment namely Tipp v Kilkenny 2009/2010, Galway v Kilkenny 2009.

Mulman (Tipperary) - Posts: 562 - 20/04/2011 13:53:07    915645

PomeroyPlunkett:

"It's a forum man, don't take it so seriously." So are you saying that then you admit your comments aren't valid and shouldn't be taken seriously then.... so that would make you a wum then right?

You see we explained this to you for years now and if you take a look over the threads you got destroyed on over an over again..... it dosen't take as much effort to get to a higher level in football and takes a lot less investment so counties will then put their efforts into football as they wil get a return much faster.

Pint in case tipperary football a few years ago the started putting more focus into football and in that time managed to with a munster u21 football title. Example 2 is dublin hurlers they started developing their underage structures 10 or 11 years ago now and are now just starting to get a return on it.

That about the 20 time you've been told this and also if no-one cares about hurling how come it gets bigger viewing figures than the football finals....please explain without wonce again making a show of yourself.

bogstandard:
I'm not comming to thurlesblues defense here he's as bad as yourself and pomperoy but it seems your doing a bit of question dodging yourself, any response to the post I directed at you explaining how you contradicted yourself twice on this thread??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:14:38    915769

Mulman:

I agree football has changed to a great degree in the last 20 years it's now a running/hand passing game and much of the skillful play is has now been nullified throught using these tactics and blanket defenses the mentality seems to be limiting the other sides possession and defensive tactics rather than persuing attacking tactics granted some teams are attack minded but not as many anymore.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:18:17    915771

bit like dublin hurling with the etra man defence

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 16:26:56    915785

dublin won minor hurling four or five years ago fag and cheese ,and they have won under 21 since too

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 16:27:59    915787

i was merely showing thurles blue that i am a real gaa man i like to play both sports unlike him thats all bag of cheese sorry for upsetting you

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 16:29:22    915789

It's all in the head

Winning breeds Winning

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/04/2011 16:35:03    915796

After how many years on investment in the game of hurling in the capital and what kind of resources aswell.... smaller gaa counties don't have these sort of resources, the dubs have the money due to match attendance and sponsorship their getting a million a year from the main team sponsor, look at the likes of monaghan they cannot get money like that their sponsorship alone is worth something like 80,000 a year. The players that are making the brake throught now are those players that won those minor and u21 titles and thus the the players who they started developing 10/11 years back. Tipp got the u21 final victory after 2 or 3 years focus.

Tipp have done well with sponsorship over the last few years and all the tipperary draw gives them extra revenue so in investing in hurling an football over the last few year they have spent something like 1.25 million supporting the county teams alone..... how can smaller teams compete with that sort of investmennt.

Still no response on how you contradicted yourself on this thread yet sure how can you be taken seriously then??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:37:57    915800

bogstandard:

You not upsetting me at all I quite like taking apart people arguements especially with their not consistant in the opinions which clearly you havn't!! So you progress to name calling when you can't debate a topic properally tis alright I saw that comming!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:40:27    915803

hag and cheese dublin have been competitive in leinster for years ,like the rest of ireland the only team they couldnt beat was kilkenny . they were winning minors hurling within three years of the development.

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 16:44:22    915807

bit like dublin hurling with the etra man defence

If you were watching any bit of hurling this year you'll have noticed that they do not use that tactic this year as they have a lot more attacking options and are creating much more scoring chances unfortunately their last few matches have been littered with wides but they are still amoung the highest scores in the league this year.

The extra man in defense or the extra midfielder is a tactic that is used in football a lot more than it is used in hurling and really is used as part of the blanket defence that has ruined the game in the last few years..... I know you won't be able to put up a logical arguement to that but at least come up with a few more names to call me as they are funny in fairness!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:45:09    915809

good i wasnt trying to uspet you old buddy old pal , all i am looking forward to is another exciting summer of football,hurling handball camogie and ladies football .

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 16:47:00    915811

bit pointless using a blanket defense in hurling when one strike of the ball could send the ball 100 yards .

bogstandard (Wexford) - Posts: 799 - 20/04/2011 16:49:03    915814

15/04/2011 20:59:22
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Thats missing the point. I am wondering why the gap in hurling is so vast when counties in the lower diviions train just as hard with players who have the same love and interest in the game and who have played it just as long?




Geography. Simple as that.

Take some "star2 Ulster players, for example say Liam Watson. To us up here as a youngster we think he is brilliant, scoring right, left and centre. and he comes from a no football area, hurling only, in the Glens of Antrim. So he is playing from an early age.

However it is only when he is about 17 that he FIRST comes across players from the hurling strongholds. In the all Ireland minor quarter he faces Galway, Kilkenny, cork or tipp. He then realises, as do all of us, that those teams have 10 players in his class, and the other 5 are not far behind. That is because those lads have been playing against better standard players all their lives. Watson has been playing against Down, Derry and Armagh.

Take a 10 year old Dub, and a 10 year old from Andersonstown, a hurling hotbed in Belfast. The young Dub can play at colleges and under age for the next 8 years against Offaly, wexford, Laois, Kilkenny, Carlow, westmeath...........The Belfast kid can't compete with that playing against down and derry so his growth and potential is stunted. You need to compete with the best to be the best.

In 1969 I played U16 all Ireland final for WEAKER counties against Offaly, who won by one point in a replay. In 1971 my school won the Al;l Ireland B colleges beating Presentation College Birr by 4-17 to 4-5.

ten years later Antrim were winning the all Ireland B title against kerry and London and Offaly were winning Liam Mccarthy.

The only thing that explains that is geographical isolation and the lack of good opposition until it is too late.

So until Ulster improves at hurling, Antrim will always struggle.

The same applies to many other counties. Most all Ireland winners, bar wexford, border the county of Tipp. That defines the hurling strongholds.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/04/2011 16:53:01    915818

hag and cheese dublin have been competitive in leinster for years , ??

2005: Laois 4-14 Dublin 0-14
Clare 1-23 Dublin 0-9
Waterford 4-17 Dublin 1-3
Offaly 2-15 Dublin 2-14
Dublin 3-13 Laois 1-10

2006:
Westmeath 0-13 - 0-11 Dublin
Offaly 1-17 - 0-17 Dublin
Clare 4-21 - 1-16 Dublin
Limerick 2-16 - 1-13 Dublin

2007:
Dublin 3-10 - 2-14 Wexford
Dublin 0-15 - 3-20 Cork
Dublin 1-11 - 1-20 Tipperary
Offaly 2-25 - 2-13 Dublin

2008:
Dublin 3-21 - 0-11 Westmeath
Dublin 0-19 - 2-13 Wexford
Dublin 1-15 - 2-15 Wexford
Cork 1-17 - 0-15 Dublin

You'll see before 2008 the only game they won was a relegation play off against laois, they started to get better in 2008 that nearly 8 years after the developement plan was put in place as far as I know??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:57:02    915822

bit pointless using a blanket defense in hurling when one strike of the ball could send the ball 100 yards .

So your saying that their less defensive tactics in hurling then right..... in sport in gereral what do people perfer to watch a team or sport that played defensicely or a team or sport that played with the emphasis on attack!!

Think your loosing this one boss not being big headed or anything but my attack is destroying your defense!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 16:59:36    915824

patrique:

I agree also a very valid point in the greater scheme of things!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 20/04/2011 17:07:03    915828

very good post patrique, mr jared diamond would be very proud. excellent logic.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 20/04/2011 17:09:44    915831