Guy plays for small club, while playing for small club he gets on the Dublin team, after getting on the Dublin team he decides small club is beneath him, applies for transfer to big club, small club justifiably refuses to sign transfer, guy refuses to play for small club for the next 4 years, the entire county gets sick of the whole thing and the transfer is approved.
And some people think the small club are to blame for all this?!

Coylers Elbow (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 17/02/2011 16:53:11    870094

Coylers Elbow
County: Meath
Posts: 428

870094 Guy plays for small club, while playing for small club he gets on the Dublin team, after getting on the Dublin team he decides small club is beneath him, applies for transfer to big club, small club justifiably refuses to sign transfer, guy refuses to play for small club for the next 4 years, the entire county gets sick of the whole thing and the transfer is approved.
And some people think the small club are to blame for all this?!
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Yes they played their part.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 17:00:43    870105

A disgrace i think because some small clubs are not been protected politics in the gaa

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/02/2011 17:27:08    870130

Jim.... All otooles did was try to hold on to one of their best players in years . What message does it give to the kids in otooles . Who looked up to him . Who when he give out medals in the club were over the moon . He still lives down the road from otooles and now kids in the area can ask why play for otooles when a player look him leaves? Everyone in tools was proud of him and all he did was turn his back on community . Sound like your club is one of the bigger clubs in dublin, therefore you,l never have this problem . And if your not, well then I just hope that your best under age player doesn't have his head turned on the same way when he,s 20 and turn his back on your club

techy77 (Dublin) - Posts: 17 - 17/02/2011 17:51:52    870160

o tooles are not a small club they are a division 1 hurling and division 2 football , if a player wants to move let him move no player is bigger than the club o tooles were there before him they be there after him , i think a lot of people do be more happy to see someone not playing than playing

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 17/02/2011 17:56:07    870172

How are smaller or weaker clubs ever supposed to make any progress if their best players walk out on them?

Coylers Elbow (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 17/02/2011 19:17:49    870252

Glory hunter all the big clubs are at it in meath and dublin

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/02/2011 19:47:40    870278

clubm
County: Meath
Posts: 26

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Firstly Hillman you say he had no option as O'Tooles would not play him after what happened....but it was him who started the whole process so dont make them out to be the bad guy's. Should they just hand out transfer requests to all their players that hand them in. Dont know what club your associated with but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt be that obliging to your best player??

Secondly if parishes mean nothing and a player is allowed play with whichever club he chooses, the next logical step would be allowed the choose counties, just an exageration of the same point??

THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS,why should they be allowed stop him join another team to play football which he does not get paid to play its not a job its a past time and owl fellas running clubs seem to have nothing better to do then stop people like him playing a sport,so what if he wants to join a club who cater for both football and hurling unlike o tooles who reportably barely train for football they concentrate on hurling so i have been in clubs were football was all the club would concentrate on and if there was a decent hurler he would be let go to another club if he wanted without any objection.and lets say he went back the first year after he put in the request do you realy think his heart woul be in it playing with o tooles or if o tooles would realy get on with him after he wanted to get out of there.
also some people on hear talk so much about the parish lets get this straight i actualy go to mass on the weekend and i can guarantee you in nearly all clubs you could count the number of players who go to mass on 1 hand so it obviously doesnt mean that much to them,the parish is a thing of the past

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/02/2011 21:03:40    871157

clubm
County: Meath
Posts: 26

870045
Firstly Hillman you say he had no option as O'Tooles would not play him after what happened....but it was him who started the whole process so dont make them out to be the bad guy's. Should they just hand out transfer requests to all their players that hand them in. Dont know what club your associated with but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt be that obliging to your best player??

Secondly if parishes mean nothing and a player is allowed play with whichever club he chooses, the next logical step would be allowed the choose counties, just an exageration of the same point?

so if you wanted to leave a job and go to another 1 imagine your boss blocking you from getting another job would you not consider him the bad guy,he played for o tooles for more then likely 15 years anybody who plays that long should be thanked by the club and shook hands with and allowed move on if thats there wish it would do neither o tooles or fennell any good having a guy who doesnt want to play for you or him being stuck in a place he doesnt want to be.if a player is an all star it doesnt matter nobody should have the right to tell you who you can and cannot play for.
your second point about choosing countys its been happening already pal look at tommy walsh played with carlow then went to wicklow and i think he is back with carlow again now,i did not hear people complaining about him being able to change teams so easy

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 18/02/2011 21:10:50    871163

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 339


We're obviously not going to agree on the Fennel transfer whatever the merits of it were, I just feel it's glory hunting and disloyal to his club, you see it differently so fair enough.

But by the reasons you have given to support the transfer, it seems that you are suggesting that every player in the country has the choice, at whatever time, to play for any club he chooses. And seeing as it's already happening, this player would also have the choice to play with any county he chooses at the start of each year??

Would there be any restrictions in this open market, or could the best 15 footballers in the country automatically transfer to say the All Ireland Club champions.

Do you not see any problems arising from this situation?

clubm (Meath) - Posts: 87 - 19/02/2011 10:18:16    871257

clubm
County: Meath
Posts: 27

871257 hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 339


We're obviously not going to agree on the Fennel transfer whatever the merits of it were, I just feel it's glory hunting and disloyal to his club, you see it differently so fair enough.

But by the reasons you have given to support the transfer, it seems that you are suggesting that every player in the country has the choice, at whatever time, to play for any club he chooses. And seeing as it's already happening, this player would also have the choice to play with any county he chooses at the start of each year??

Would there be any restrictions in this open market, or could the best 15 footballers in the country automatically transfer to say the All Ireland Club champions.

Do you not see any problems arising from this situation?

Good post man.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 19/02/2011 10:38:15    871274

well its already happening so i dont see why fennell should have been stopped if what you want to happen is to come about you would have to have a clear rule of no transfers at all and i dont think that would ever work

secondly players have been choosing what county they play for the last number of years and in particular mick o dwyer has been doing this for them,when he managed kildare he got 3 outsiders to play for kildare brian murray brian lacey and his son karl o dwyer.when he managed laois he had shane cooke who is a dub and billy sheehan who is from kerry playing for laois.with wicklow he had tommy walsh(carlow) paul cunningham(dublin) and now is after getting austin o malley (mayo) to play for wicklow.offaly have two dublin brothes the coughlins playing for them currently,armagh have billy joe padden who is from mayo.
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hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/02/2011 11:44:59    871308

There are obviously going to be cases where players move to a new ,area a new county for various reasons, in this case I dont think anybody would have a problem with a transfer being applied for but why not let that player only transfer to the local club in his new area, this would stop any player picking or choosing a club.

As regards intercounty football, personally I cant imagine why any player would want to line out for another county but thats just my opinion. It shouldnt happen end of story. Just because it has happened, doesnt make it right.

I think this debate has moved on from just the Fennell case, there cant be rules for promising intercounty footballers and another rule for the rest of the players in the county. You still havent answered my question, do you think that the rules should be changed so that every player in this country can choose his club?? Now I come from a small club, surrounded for the most part by senior clubs, how long do you think my club would survive if from next year every young player had the option to play with any of the 3 or 4 senior clubs in my locality?

clubm (Meath) - Posts: 87 - 19/02/2011 13:21:06    871360

Who cares about this apart from Dublin supporters. Would a club transfer within a county other than Dublin get such media hype and attention ? ? ? They should build a statue of him outside parnell park to honour his achievement

philbrown (Westmeath) - Posts: 239 - 19/02/2011 19:06:54    871521

yes i believe nobody should be told by a club that you can and cannot play football or hurling i think the rule should be in january as a transfer month and january only as the window for transfers that would make a clear and easy to follow rule like another poster said i cant see it catching on that players would transfer from county teams as often as you suggest but there has been few doing it already and nobody seems to mind them doing it only when there loosing players to dublin clubs do they seem to have a problem.

to the westmeath guy nobody is suggesting hes a hero just that he should be allowed play for whoever he wants and i think your just jealous because nothing happens in westmeath full stop oh apart from robbing dressing rooms while the match is on haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/02/2011 20:47:22    872115

Decisions like this one could lead to the end of the Best value of the GAA that we have and thats loyalty. Its an absolute disgrace that he was granted a transfer. What if everybody wanted to glory hunt like Fennel? How would small clubs survive? Shame on Fennel, the Dublin County Board and whoever else allowed this and other transfers similar to it to happen, hang your heads in shame.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 21/02/2011 10:49:07    872298

Can anybody explain the difference between Fennells transfer and Jason Sherlocks? On the face of it they are very similar but nothing was ever really said about Sherlocks. Maybe there is a valid rason for that, I dunno...

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12425 - 21/02/2011 11:02:38    872311

A transfer window month in the GAA? Easily the most ludicrous post I have seen on this forum and that's saying something...

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 21/02/2011 11:18:26    872324

Fennell verdict should raise alarm bells in smaller clubs:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/fennell-verdict-should-raise-alarm-bells-in-smaller-clubs-2548068.html

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 21/02/2011 11:21:53    872328

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 4773

872311 Can anybody explain the difference between Fennells transfer and Jason Sherlocks? On the face of it they are very similar but nothing was ever really said about Sherlocks. Maybe there is a valid rason for that, I dunno...

Na Fianna did not object to Sherlock's transfer.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 21/02/2011 11:29:12    872336