its a good decision simply because a young man can now go and play the game he loves , he did not sign any contract and this rule would not stand up in any court of law , and also there is no big player movement in dublin from small clubs to big clubs , mes says look at the cork team with junior and intermediate players well dublin also have inter players , players will always want to move and to stop someone like o tooles did is a disgrace , my own club tried and lied to try and stop a player moving but we put a little bit of pressure on and he got his move , he is bettter playing the game he loves than not playing at all ,

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 16/02/2011 22:01:51    869691

he did not sign any contract and this rule would not stand up in any court of law

This bit you will have to explain to me I'm afraid. Why would a court of law have any jurisdiction when it comes to eligibility in an amateur sport?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 17/02/2011 08:18:17    869692

Freewill lads...

If you dont like it move to China or something... ;)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 09:49:05    869724

"The man can go and play the game he loves",eh,newsflash,nobody stopped him for playing for O Tooles,it was he who refused to play for them.he got picked for Dublin,why?cuz he played for O Tooles.look down in Kerry,a lot of their best players (Galvin,O Sullivan,Sheehan,etc)play for intermediate sides.I don't see them asking for transfers.sure Bryan Sheehan won a Junior All-Ireland last weekend.in no way and I can't stress this enough,in no way is Eamonn Fennell the victim here.

Pope_has_spoken (Dublin) - Posts: 138 - 17/02/2011 11:37:40    869789

its funny, he won a div 1 minor football league and div 1 minor hurling league with otooles back in 01 or 02. He also won an u21b football championship around the same time with otooles, and an u21 a hurling championship in 2002..not bad for a small club . The point here is he was told by a dublin selector back in 06, that if he ever wanted to make the dublin starting 15, he needed to play div 1 football with a big club. That same selector is high up in his new club. This was never about anything else, other then him making the dublin team..which he did for his performances for otooles from 01 to 06. He was badly advised by dublin managment. Has anyone ever wondered why cullen is still with Harps? Why Cahill didnt leave bridgets when they went down, why whelan never left raheny, .Dublins inter county team is for div 1 clubs, with an odd few from lower leagues. No wonder we cant win an all ireland.

techy77 (Dublin) - Posts: 17 - 17/02/2011 11:41:09    869795

pope has spoken you said nobody was stopping him playing for o tooles come on mate do you realy think o tooles would have played him if he went back after four years of this saga they would have left him on the bench just out of spite the same way after four years and knowing he was never going to play with them again regardless of what happened they still wouldnt just be a proper outfit and allow him to go as what good does it serve them by stopping him join vincents for 4years hes not playing with them in that 4years its just being bad and maybe thats why clubs like o tooles remain small and dont get better because the way there run.
also i hear alot of people suggest about parish and all this stuff bout sticking with your parish this is 2011 parishes mean nothing in dublin be honest like.
also these so called parish teams are being run by outsiders people from the country who moved from there own parish to a dublin one so why are they not blocked from leaving there own parish in there own county if the club is so important to do parish

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2011 11:54:25    869804

Pope_has_spoken
County: Dublin
Posts: 37

He was stuck in the middle of a far bigger issue within the GAA - And was used as a scape goat for the powers that be.. who disagree with players transferring. FULL STOP.

Many players transferred from club to club over those 4 years... including several Inter county players - without any trouble or barely a notice.

That was unfair on him

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 11:57:22    869808

echy77
County: Dublin
Posts: 14

869795
its funny, he won a div 1 minor football league and div 1 minor hurling league with otooles back in 01 or 02. He also won an u21b football championship around the same time with otooles, and an u21 a hurling championship in 2002..not bad for a small club . The point here is he was told by a dublin selector back in 06, that if he ever wanted to make the dublin starting 15, he needed to play div 1 football with a big club. That same selector is high up in his new club. This was never about anything else, other then him making the dublin team..which he did for his performances for otooles from 01 to 06. He was badly advised by dublin managment. Has anyone ever wondered why cullen is still with Harps? Why Cahill didnt leave bridgets when they went down, why whelan never left raheny, .Dublins inter county team is for div 1 clubs, with an odd few from lower leagues. No wonder we cant win an all ireland.

dont agree o gara and bastick grew up playing lower level football with templeogue and that club were intermediate a couple years ago,skerries harps as you mentioned have never been a top team and only came up from intermediate couple years ago and both cullens with them aswell,shane ryan played with mearnog not in senior,o tooles are a senior club,plunketts were never a top team and only came into senior 1 a few years ago,darren daly club fingal ravens were intermediate up till 2years ago,mick fitsimons plays for cuala who are intermediate,cluxton plays with parnells who only came into senior two years ago,

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2011 12:03:54    869810

Well I think that's all you need to know about fennell. I'm sure these guys have been told or asked to join bigger clubs .yet they didn't . Because for some guys a club still means something .

techy77 (Dublin) - Posts: 17 - 17/02/2011 12:22:07    869822

I could imagine the abuse on here if a mayo player had got a modelling contract.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11658 - 17/02/2011 12:35:38    869834

First of all can I just say after watching Take Me Out, Fennell seems like a genuinely sound guy. Secondly realisticially he could never go back playing with O'Tooles no matter what they said because he'd burnt bridges there. However I dont agree with this transfer for two reasons. Firstly O'Tooles aren't exactly a small club. I mean they still play in the senior championship even if they aren't a senior club. (I didn't know this but it was said above they won a minor championship in '01 so they couldn't be that far away). It's not like he's playing junior championship and getting hammered every week because players aren't as good as him. Secondly as he originally applied to move to Ballymun and they changed his mind, it appears like it's glory hunting (which in itself isn't a bad thing but in a unique association like the GAA cannot be allowed to happen). Has he ever given a reason why he decided against Ballymun and went to Vincents?

gael_in_exile (Donegal) - Posts: 18 - 17/02/2011 12:52:33    869857

gael_in_exile
County: Donegal
Posts: 7
o tooles are a senior club they play in senior 2,also ballymun would actualy be ahead of vincents at moment

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2011 14:17:50    869934

techy77
County: Dublin
Posts: 15

Ok Techy... yeah lets start the witch hunt.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 14:27:51    869945

He's not even that good tbh.

Coylers Elbow (Meath) - Posts: 1075 - 17/02/2011 14:40:55    869954

so it seems most people think if you dont play for the club your parents choose for you to play for when you were a child you shouldnot be allowed play gaa

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/02/2011 15:01:15    869974

Coylers Elbow
County: Meath
Posts: 427

869954 He's not even that good tbh.
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He'll be very useful... watch this space

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 15:05:25    869981

so it seems most people think if you dont play for the club your parents choose for you to play for when you were a child you shouldnot be allowed play gaa

I know parishes are more clearly defined outside of cities but are you saying that that is all Dublin clubs mean to their players, the one your parents chose for you?

I think there are a variety of reasons when players should move clubs from geographical to work and everything in between but I don't think players should move because their own club doesn't match their ambitions or because they feel they have to for inter-county selection.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 17/02/2011 15:20:00    869997

It was slightly unfair on Fennell alright but he still never came up with a legitimate reason for the transfer. The old rule was that if you sat out a year after a transfer refusal then your transfer went through. But after a lot of campaigning from smaller clubs the county board agreed to take this clause away to protect small clubs.

The Fennell case was the 1st test of this new resolve to protect smaller clubs from big clubs poaching. Very disappointing decision in the end, but then it was always going to go the way of senior inter-county player and the big club even of they were not in the right.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13830 - 17/02/2011 16:04:18    870044

Firstly Hillman you say he had no option as O'Tooles would not play him after what happened....but it was him who started the whole process so dont make them out to be the bad guy's. Should they just hand out transfer requests to all their players that hand them in. Dont know what club your associated with but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt be that obliging to your best player??

Secondly if parishes mean nothing and a player is allowed play with whichever club he chooses, the next logical step would be allowed the choose counties, just an exageration of the same point??

clubm (Meath) - Posts: 87 - 17/02/2011 16:04:25    870045

just an exageration

Not really it's been going on for years....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 16:22:38    870065