County: Tyrone
Posts: 3613

there is a lot of inferior complexes on this site .

Correct. it's a very Irish thing, probably post colonial syndrome. People feel that they need to express their nationality by insisting that others do it in exactly the same way. Trying to promote one form of sport over another simply because its considerd a national sport or insisting that a sporting organisation play one tune or another even though the people involved in that sport are quite content to play what they play.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/02/2011 15:13:26    860352

Ta would you be happy to have no players from the North play for Ireland if it meant playing Amhrán na bhFiann before every match?

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 04/02/2011 15:32:16    860366

dhorse.
knowone is insisting anything ,this is about a team running out to the pitch to play for their country , but withouth the national anthem , i do not know how many times i have to repeat myself , but every other country in the world stand to attention to their national anthem when they play in sports events notably international , and rightfully so , so why cannot ireland do it , this is not any other tune dhorse , this is our anthem of our country , and it should be played , nothing to do with post colonial syndrome or whatever why you want to twist it , i personally would be honoured to stand and wear the green of ireland while standing to attettion of the anthem of the country of my birth dhorse . and so should the people that line out for ireland in this present day .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 15:36:59    860375

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3616

860335 dhorse.
explain how i am wrong , or are you just wumming again , they are 32 counties in ireland are they not , split up of four provinces ? well

It is the anthem of the Republic of Ireland, which since the constitutional claim was taken out comprises of the 26 counties. However as you are aware a large body of Nationalists in northern Ireland have adopted it as their Anthem. why they seem to want to shove it down the necks of people that dont want it is beyond me, but then, im a republican and not very nationalistic.

i take it it you are using wumming as being in disagreement with you?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/02/2011 15:37:15    860376

pomeroyplunkett.
listen no , i would want the players from the north playing for their country of course i would , i am just saying that if they are willing to line out and represent ireland in international level , then they should really be standing for attention for their anthem , if that is they class themselves as irish , because they play rugby for ireland , but would be offended to satnd for the national anthem , it really is a bit of contridiction on their part , if they feel they are proud to wear the green of irealnd , but they do not want the countries national anthem played , i am sorry but thats how it looks plunkett . and this why the rest of the country watching their country playing are annoyed at why every other country in the world play their anthem , but ireland , its just not right .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 15:44:01    860387

dhorse.
adopted , 26counties , constitional claim , the anthem of the republic of ireland . republican ?
fine words from someone who claims to be a republican , its how you tell it ???

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 15:48:19    860397

We have a situation here that is unique and completely different to most other countries though. The thing is I'm sure these players don't particularly care if Amhrán na bhFiann is played before every match but out of respect for the different beliefs held by some fans and players it is only played before home matches. I think it's right that these beliefs are respected

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 04/02/2011 16:05:45    860422

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3619

860397 dhorse.
adopted , 26counties , constitional claim , the anthem of the republic of ireland . republican ?
fine words from someone who claims to be a republican , its how you tell it ???

well put,, there are legitimate views that might not always concur with yours

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/02/2011 16:39:07    860462

pomeroyplunkett.
it is different and it should be not the case , i believe although that all the players religiouse beliefs are respected .,that goes without saying they are entitled to that , you say that the player would not mine , if that is the case , then who brought this in , whats rugby about , is it about a sport ( of which i admire ) or is it about religion , you say that things need be respected and things need moving on , but the irish national anthem is got nothing to o with religion , it should not be connected , they are all lining up protestant and catholic to play for the island of ireland , thats what they want , and its a good things i wish the soccer team would follow suit , but if you pull on a jersey to represent your country , then you should have no problem with standing to the anthem of the country you play for , were ever that may be in the world .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 16:40:29    860465

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 872

859833
So basically Hag...what you're saying is that the AIL club 'supporters' have now become provincial 'supporters'. What will they 'support' next? Cricket? Bog snorkelling?

supporters are fickle they'll support the highest level they can. look at club hurling and football, you don't get massive crowds at club games yet you do at intercounty games...... as for they last part of your post that's only stupid.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/02/2011 16:49:30    860477

dhorse.
its the form of words that you brought across , thats so familiar and has been for a long time concerning the people of the six counties . sadly thats the perception
thats been potrayed in many peoples minds in the south , you know right well what i am talking about here dhorse . no need for codebreakers ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 16:54:17    860492

Not a fan of rugby. It dosen't really exist round our way.

Ireland's Call is an awful crime against music but the idea of it is good.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 04/02/2011 17:02:34    860505

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3621

860492 dhorse.
its the form of words that you brought across , thats so familiar and has been for a long time concerning the people of the six counties . sadly thats the perception
thats been potrayed in many peoples minds in the south , you know right well what i am talking about here dhorse . no need for codebreakers ?

You've lost me now boss, maybe we need to go on manouvres again. Is the fact that their is an Irish person with a different but legitimate definition of republican the cause of concern among "people" in the 6 counties. There maybe even some in the 6 counties. probanly known as west brit, revisionist, lackies.

tango tricycle bogger rin tin tin

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/02/2011 17:16:41    860520

As for the question posed, Yes it would appear a lot of people like rugby, from new zealand to rathfriland

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/02/2011 17:19:38    860522

04/02/2011 12:48:02
ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3621

860189
gilly2308.
the national anthem is the anthem of the 32 counties of this island .




Do you ever wish you were English and then you would feel secure and not have an inferiority complex? Then you would not care if they never played any music at the rugby, and if they did, you couldn't care what it was?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/02/2011 18:29:22    860587

Personally Anthems, if we are to respect them and the nation they represent, should be played on State occasions. Playing them at sports games and at the end of the night in pubs, on both occasions to an audience of drunks, demeans the anthem and the nation.

Now I come from a place which had a majority who fel;t insecure and inferior and insisted on playing GSTQ everywhere, in the cinema, dance halls, public toilers......

This really, really annoyed people who saw themselves as republican and nationalist. Now they want to do the same thing?

A week is a long time in politics.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/02/2011 19:23:31    860622

dhorse.
yes sure manouvres, whatever takes your fancy , as for west brit revionists lackies that is stamped with merit because of the failure and understanding of some , bottom line , could not care less mentality brigade , especially within the southern media , so yes your right on that , well said . oscar dan dan . tin man breaker tango , dash.getdown.crawl .cover.observe. return fire. in the event of E.E.F. CAPICHE ;D.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 19:29:24    860627

PATRIQUE.
listen here , everyone has the right to play their national anthem , regardless of what country they come from , on the poit of anthems being played in pubs and clubs , i could not agree more on that with you , because it does demean the nation and its people , especially if they are loads of them tanked up , the anthem should be kept for special occasions , i.e football international , rugby , cricket , olympyians , and state visits , all i am saying is that it is appropriate to play the national anthem as a symbol of pride , in the sense that the sportman and women that take part for there country , feel a sense of pride and dignity for not only themselves but the rest of the nation watching .. its that simple pat . no need for the spinmaster

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 19:36:11    860632

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3623

860632 PATRIQUE.
listen here , everyone has the right to play their national anthem , regardless of what country they come from , on the poit of anthems being played in pubs and clubs , i could not agree more on that with you , because it does demean the nation and its people , especially if they are loads of them tanked up , the anthem should be kept for special occasions , i.e football international , rugby , cricket , olympyians , and state visits , all i am saying is that it is appropriate to play the national anthem as a symbol of pride ,

there is one reason for not playing it then, if some people dont take pride in it, dont play it, if they have pride in playing the game be it rugby or wrestling then that's what mattters. the anthem is just tribal politics in that case and should not be forced on anyone

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 04/02/2011 20:17:03    860668

dhorse.
you talking to me .
listen what about the rest of the players the fans , the people the vast majority on this island who take pride in their national anthem , forget them , i does not make much sense that a sportsperson who claims pride in .i.e the irish jersey when playing for ireland , and then feels offended at the beat of the country national anthem , forgive me for saying , thats a confused sportsperson , with a big condridiction issue surronding his/her part in the whole set up of representing ones country , its almost laughable , but it should be not at the expense of the rest of the country .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 04/02/2011 20:32:50    860679