Well I think we're a bit more worried about paying off the 85billion euro in debt your fellow-nationalist friends have left us with even if anyone down here was of the mindset that being involved in the GAA had anything to do with your republican outlook, which I would think they really don't. It's a sport and organisation that everyone is proud of and like their kids to play but in terms of politics, I don't think it comes to it at all.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 25/01/2011 20:02:02    853782

Ulsterman while I agree with your sentiments I wish you wouldn't be so partitionist. Doublehop, I wouldn't describe FF or the greens as nationalist in the sense of an all Ireland. They have corrupted the country (along with FG), this has nothing to do with the GAA so leave it be.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 26/01/2011 09:48:39    853944

We seem to have lost our way with this 'post' - the political parties in the south do jump on the political band wagon and try to get the high profile gaa personality elected - also it is very beneficial for politicans to be seen with/in/around the gaa - this show how strong an organisation we have ( note brian Cowen ex- county offaly footballer - even though he only played 10 mins in an u-21 game - but it sounds good) we rarely have an elected ex- soccer/rugby/basketball/swimmer etc elected - our organisation stand for integrity, purpose, community, togetherness etc,

as regards FG yes they are hated in the north, john bruton first act was to hand a picture of his hero william redmond in the dail - an ex- british captain who died in the first world war, mr. burton also said on record **** the peace process and those in the north.......

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 26/01/2011 10:29:37    853976

It's quite funny to see the party whose heritage stretches back to Michael Collins and Arthur Griffith, ripped the British Empire apart peacefully through the Commonwealth, and eventually declared the official independence of the State described as "unionist" and somehow friends of the British monarchy.

It's a common complaint on here of Tyrone posters that they believe the GAA started in 2003. Do Antrim folk think that politics started in 1990?

The_Real_IA (Meath) - Posts: 133 - 26/01/2011 12:55:53    854112

Eoin O' Duffy a fascist , a Blueshirt, an odd-ball founded the FG in 1933, many years after michael collins was shot dead, many political parties lay claim to M. Collins but few really can - he was a member of S. F. that was the only political party he was belonged to, FG always got the support of the anglo-gentry on this island from the unionsts in the 1930's to your Lord's of today - that's why it is essential for FG to align themselves with the GAA......... try and be Irish

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 26/01/2011 13:37:23    854143

It's quite funny to see the party whose heritage stretches back to Michael Collins and Arthur Griffith, ripped the British Empire apart peacefully through the Commonwealth, and eventually declared the official independence of the State described as "unionist" and somehow friends of the British monarchy.

It's a common complaint on here of Tyrone posters that they believe the GAA started in 2003. Do Antrim folk think that politics started in 1990?

Fine Gael was founded in 1933 so Michael Collins never even heard tell of them. Like it or not fg are a unionist leaning party and would rejoin the commonwealth if they could get away with it.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 26/01/2011 14:20:04    854174

Thanks for ignoring the rest of my comment.

But the bit you took on. FG stem (through CnaG) from which side of the Civil War divide? And of which Civil War faction was Collins an important leader?

I don't care about the political parties, much less about what one person thinks of them, but too many lies about our nation's history are allowed to stand.

The_Real_IA (Meath) - Posts: 133 - 26/01/2011 14:26:45    854183

Not at all, Dev did it all on his own with his eyes closed and he only learned to read at 30. What a man.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 26/01/2011 15:25:24    854239

Wow. I think some people need to brush up on their history

tipptothetop (Tipperary) - Posts: 531 - 26/01/2011 15:45:42    854255

The_Real_IA, I don't want to be having an argument about it so I'll respect your opinion and I'll have mine. I do however hope the wee county get revenge on you'se this year but it's nothing personal I just have to support my neighbours.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 26/01/2011 16:07:42    854274

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Wow. I think some people need to brush up on their history

So do I - history wasant a strong subject for many posters

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11576 - 26/01/2011 16:17:16    854283

"...this has nothing to do with the GAA so leave it be."

My whole point is that in the south politics has nothing to do with the GAA. It's easy to win an debate if you never respond to what's went before I suppose!

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 26/01/2011 17:05:02    854338

Are hoganstand alowing the GAA to become politicial, this is in breach of the rules of the GAA. or are Hoganstand aware of the rules.

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 26/01/2011 19:10:20    854460

Interesting thread, in my own club and neighbouring clubs the vast majority of club officers and prominent members would be Fine Gaelers.
None of them would be elected representatives or even have stood for election but would be well known as Fine Gael supporters.

I think that it is merely coincidental, however it is something that I have noticed and remarked on before.

Dr.Shephard (Leitrim) - Posts: 2187 - 26/01/2011 19:18:38    854468

It's grand we have the baron of the manor on northstead running in Louth. He'll have all the answers for us.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0126/breaking42.html

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 26/01/2011 20:47:34    854581

My whole point is that in the south politics has nothing to do with the GAA.

I'm sure that politics has nothing to do with the GAA in the north and esat aswell, not so sure about the west though but maybe someone from ther may know. It's easy to win an debate if you change the facts to suit your agenda I suppose!

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 27/01/2011 10:15:18    854717

What facts? That's the second time you've said that in this thread. Do you actually know what a fact is?

I stated an opinion that I believe that in the 26 counties (i.e the south) the vast majority of people will get involved with the GAA for the same reasons as they would with any other sports club or community organisation. The politics of "the ban" and rule 21 or 42 are all in the past. Parents will bring their kids to GAA training and then straight after down to the soccer or tag rugby afterwards. With such a broad membership spanning across all of Ireland you are going to get people from all political backgrounds and affiliations and I don't think of any of them are of the opinion that their membership of the GAA is in conflict with any political belief or aspiration they might hold. Politics in the North (i.e. the 6 county state of Northern Ireland) still runs primarily on a nationalist/unionist agenda. Down here I'm afraid I think most people have other priorities.

If you disagree fine, if you agree even better but all it is my opinion not a fact.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 27/01/2011 10:45:27    854741

I don't disagree with what you are saying doublehop, it is none the less strange that someone should join 2 organisations with opposing outlooks. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it but it is however strange. Each to their own and that's the way it should be.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 27/01/2011 13:16:01    854855

Tom1916
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I don't disagree with what you are saying doublehop, it is none the less strange that someone should join 2 organisations with opposing outlooks. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it but it is however strange. Each to their own and that's the way it should be.

You know nothing about the "Outlooks" of Fine Gael.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 27/01/2011 13:56:42    854894

thank God

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 27/01/2011 14:20:23    854922