now things are becoming more clearer and , the dark lord of the sith will reveal itself soon , to everyone that is you cannot still see , then we will see the face of the real enemey of the irish republic , were is obe one ;D.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/01/2011 17:24:10    852153

Enough of this Commons nonsense, just tell us where yee buried Shergar and that will be all! We just want closure...

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 23/01/2011 17:25:43    852155

seamus89.
shergar and his offspring are in dubai , why dont you ask the aga khan.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/01/2011 17:34:39    852161

How could a left wing candidate like Galloway represent the view of the most right wing party in Europe ?

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 23/01/2011 17:45:28    852170

ta

"I ... do solemnly swear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the Irish Free State as by law established, and that I will be faithful to H.M. King George V, his heirs and successors by law in virtue of the common citizenship of Ireland with Great Britain and her adherence to and membership of the group of nations forming the British Commonwealth of nations."

This is the oath that FF TD's swore in the course of entering the Dail, Dan Breen being the first. I assume by your consistent logic that Dan Breen was therefore not a republican?

I reiterate, the oath is meaningless. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that we could see SF and DUP representatives in Westminster and the Dail as part of a transitionary process to a reunited Ireland.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 23/01/2011 17:57:33    852178

No ta, Shergar is not in Dubai with his master. He was kidnapped and shot dead by the IRA. Do you people not have any compassion at all? What if the IRA were, hypothetically, to kidnap a PERSON, shoot them dead and then bury their body in some far away field never to be seen again. How would you feel about that?

Oh, wait a second...

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 23/01/2011 20:22:02    852285

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artisan.
the oath has a lot to do with it ,



There was a civil war over a stupid oath.

Five years later the leader of the side opposed to the oath was in parliament, taking the oath.

Learn from history, do not keep on repeating the same mistakes.

remember it is politics. 75% of it is telling lies anyway so why not an oath?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 23/01/2011 20:34:24    852297

patrique.
its the principle of which people died and were imprisoned and executed because they did not swear allegiance to the oath or the masters of the oath.
their memory and the sacrifice should be preserved , and that means NO OATH OF ALLEGIANCE PAT , for gods sake then what was it all about !!

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/01/2011 21:34:50    852339

seamus.
a ransom fee was agreed on the terms of responsibility , a politicial and military ill judgment , basically things went pearshaped , the horse was alive and well in the middle east , but some group should have never accepted responsibility ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/01/2011 21:39:32    852343

Westminster is becoming less relevant so why Danny Morrison thinks it a good idea to go there I'm not quite sure.Maybe for the benefit of political posturing and grandstanding which can be useful for propaganda purposes.There is no good reason at this point for republicans to sit in Westminster.Danny is a writer these days and tends to get carried away sometimes.We do not need to be electing outsiders to advance our own agenda,we are doing ok,patience is the key.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/01/2011 09:50:40    852382

I personally would be against it. Not purely for dogmatic reasons but simply because it would alienate 'traditional' republicans away from the Republican movement and into the hands of the dissidents (a term I dont like to use). I've often thought that the anglo-irish treaty of the 1920's should have been rejected if only to ensure that the movement wasnt divided. Of course it was accepted and we all the rest regarding the civil war etc...

Whilst Patrique and others argue that to get things done you need to be involved I would disagree. Republicans can achieve their aims without having to sit in a Westminister Parliament and therefore by extension legitimise British claims to Ireland. If there ever was a day when there was to be a vote in Westminister on the constitutional position of Northern Ireland then Sinn Fein could hold an emergency Ard Dheis and attend a one off vote.

In any event this was simply a news paper article, not really worth fussing over too much.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 24/01/2011 10:16:16    852396

Ulsterman you're an Irish Republican but are more than happy to take the Queen's shilling working for Her Majesty's Civil Service, your morals can be easily bought it seems

Pomeroy this is a silly argument which has been pedalled out since time immerorial. It's the same as the old unionist argument that 'if you believe in a United Ireland why do you accept state benefits?'. Firstly for pragmatic reasons people need an income to exist.

Secondly where do Ulsterman's wages come from? The British government. Where does the British government get the money from? From taxes which Ulsterman and other Irish people also pay. If we extend your argument to its logcal conclusion then people who dont accept British rule in Ireland should not have to pay any taxes either.

In any event you have some cheek to lecture anyone on morals being bought. Time and time again on this board you have said you dont believe in a United Ireland because (in your view) it doesnt make sense economically. It seems your morals are dictated by your wallet and nothing else.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 24/01/2011 10:25:05    852402

GOODFELLA.
know one wants a split , i think we should learn from that , that is the last thing i want to see , republicans fighting one another , but the party are not doing things in a way , which puts genuine republicans and traditional in a position as to support the wider base , they are really making things very difficult for grassroots voters , ihave said many times goodfella , that they need to be more open and honest , and the problems and concerns that we feel , should be listened to , this is the only way , not to slung on the scrap heap and labelled a dissident , i dearly want a change and i would to see this country united in peace , but things are not the way they should be right now .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 24/01/2011 11:24:43    852452

Omar.d
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852170 How could a left wing candidate like Galloway represent the view of the most right wing party in Europe ?
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Gorgeous George is a lying, egotisitcal, meglamaniac..................................sounds like the perfect candidate to me!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 24/01/2011 12:14:35    852496

ta32 I agree with you but its hard to keep all of the people happy all of the time.

Sinn Fein are pursuing a very specific course of political action in the hope that they can take the maximum number of supporters with them on their journey. They understand that some people will fall by the way side when they pusue certain policies but the loss of these people appears to be acceptable to Sinn Fein as long as they are kept to a minimum. It mightnt be right but its what I suppose is called a hard choice.

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 24/01/2011 16:47:50    852740

24/01/2011 12:14:35
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852496 Omar.d
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Posts: 1098

852170 How could a left wing candidate like Galloway represent the view of the most right wing party in Europe ?
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Gorgeous George is a lying, egotisitcal, meglamaniac..................................sounds like the pURRrfect candidate to me!

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Fixed that for you.

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 24/01/2011 17:45:48    852812

23/01/2011 21:34:50
ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3559

, for gods sake then what was it all about !!



Isn't that what I keep trying to tell you?

Always remember the IRA man in 1969 who said that the Civil Rights achieved more in 6 months with protest than the IRA had in the entire history of the Northern state.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 24/01/2011 18:30:37    852857

i suppose the people of ireland should take all this as a example of the mentality of these people they will take the pay for a job they have no intention of doing- they are probably too busy off planning murders and bank robberies

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 24/01/2011 19:18:14    852914

Always remember the IRA man in 1969 who said that the Civil Rights achieved more in 6 months with protest than the IRA had in the entire history of the Northern state.
How many times have I seen Patrique post this and never say who the man was or specify what they acchieved by way of Irish Reunification

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/01/2011 19:29:13    852925

The Civil Rights movement was shot of the streets by the paras, nationalists needed the IRA.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 24/01/2011 20:21:42    852982