Not really. Was just curious as to what you were claiming to be flying.

Narrow it down, is it registered in Connacht or not?

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 11/02/2011 12:03:02    865277

no its not registered in connacht if you must know

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 11/02/2011 12:14:41    865294

Ha ha I think liathroid owns the bottom half of the helicopter !! Thats why he rounds around in circles waving his hands in the air shouting "take off " !! Ha ha ha its all too funny !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/02/2011 16:05:35    865535

liathroidboy
County: Mayo
Posts: 1595

i mean look what they have done to the nurses- they have convinced university student that they deserve massive wages to learn how to be a nurse? its completely pathetic, we have the case now where student are striking cause their egos are so big that they think they are qualified when they are actually only learning- and in all fairness why are we traing nurses anyways they can easily be bought on the open market and brought in much cheaper and therefore everyone benefits- the HSE, the exchequer, university costs its a great idea to just stop doing it- health care is a universal comoddity you absolutely have no requirement to understand context i.e. a nurse in germany can equally work in ireland and vice versa. as i say with all public services if they are not context specfic and the staff get too big for their boots- simply close it down and hire foreigners to do the work- they are cheaper, more productive and have less of an ego- this is also particularly relevant in terms of cops
11/02/2011 10:34:52

Complete balderdash. An understanding of English is for a start an absolute prerequisite. Of course you have to have an understanding of context. Each patients circumstances is a matter of context that is unique to the patient. Decisions in relation to the patient are taken in the context of the patients circumstances.
As for egos the most rampant and repugnant egos in this country belonged to "self made men" who venerated at their own altars. Many of those individuals developed constructs that had foundations of sand and how quickly they came tumbling down. The ostentatious, conspicuous and vulgar demonstrations of these egos at places like the Galway races where the helicopters gathered for the festivals of back slapping look now as if they are a thing of the past. Hopefully we can all go forward and build a society and an economy that we can all be proud of. Something that is buuilt on solid foundations and is made to last. Something where certain individuals will not disparage poisonously the work of others.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 11/02/2011 17:35:03    865620

See pat is banging his union drum again as black & white pointed out they didn't get much or what they wanted yet speak in the media as if it was a momumental victory.... I suppose this will also help the compeditiveness of the buisness in the long run right??? (costing the company millions and taking away form cost savings) the air line operates at a loss already right and it dosen't have the government to bail it out anymore either.... micheal O'leary must be having a chuckle to himself he'll get his hands on the aerline at somestage, and strikes like that are just playing into his hands.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 11/02/2011 20:21:24    865769

Nobody wins in situations like this !!
Aer Lingus lost millions hiring planes and the workers lost wages !!

Now a question for the anti-union brigade --
If there was no union in Aer Lingus how would workers rights issues be dealt with ? Genuine question !! Who would ensure fair play ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/02/2011 13:11:38    865921

12/02/2011 13:11:38
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 7176

865921 Nobody wins in situations like this !!
Aer Lingus lost millions hiring planes and the workers lost wages !!

Now a question for the anti-union brigade --
If there was no union in Aer Lingus how would workers rights issues be dealt with ? Genuine question !! Who would ensure fair play ?

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IF there was no union the workers would have less pay (note starting from an average of €104,000 per annum)
They would work longer hours - and would have to be more flexible.

But the airline would be more competive - would fly more routes - create more jobs and will still be around in five years time
Its bleeding over €100m a year under is current cost base so we will have no jobs in five years time

Well done to the union

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/02/2011 14:17:36    865946

ruanua,

That did not answer my question !! Forget about a specific organisation then and just tell me how workers would get a perceived grievance dealt with ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/02/2011 14:42:27    865951

12/02/2011 14:42:27
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 7177

865951 ruanua,

That did not answer my question !! Forget about a specific organisation then and just tell me how workers would get a perceived grievance dealt with ?
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Go to the HR department and advise them that there is a breach of their contractual terms or employment legislation
If not why should they have a grieviance ?

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/02/2011 15:00:08    865958

ruanua,

Authority always backs authority !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/02/2011 15:05:02    865961

What Authority ? - surely the law is the authority ?
Employee rights are protected under legislation
Unions may have had place when 10 year olds were being sent down the mine - The world has moved on

e.g

Just a sample of what is covered


unfair Dismissals Act 1993
Terms of Employment (information) act 1994
Protection of young persons (employment) act 1996
Organsiation of Working time Act 1997
National Minimum wage act 2000
Carers leave Act 2001
Protection of Employees (part time) act 2001
Organisation of Working time (records) Regulations 2001
Protection of Employees (fixed term) act 2003
EU protection of employees on transfer regulations 2003 (TUPE)
Equality act 2004 and employment equality act 2004
Maternity Protection Act 2004
Adoptive LEave act 2005
Health SAftey and welfare at work act 2005
Parental Leave act 2006
Employees (provision of information and consultation) act 2006
Employment permits act 2007
Protection of Employemnt Act 2007

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/02/2011 15:35:59    865978

A lot of stuff there ruanua, maybe we don't need unions after all !! But then when you see what the Govt is proposing to with the trainee nurses over a 4 year period i still don't know. How are they expected to live if they have little or no income ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/02/2011 15:42:39    865981

Seems to me that people are banging the drum of competitiveness to undermine workers conditions of service. That's the mantra that was used to justify the reduction of the minimum wage by twelve and a half per cent despite the fact that only three per cent of the work force are on the minimum wage. Have retailers dropped theirt prices by twelve and a half per cent over the past twelve months ? Have they hell !!!

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 12/02/2011 15:57:37    865994

I agree fully with ruanua, and I've been argueing with Pat that unions aren't needed in modern business for ages now.... unions were set up when when they legislation wasn't there.

Greengrass:
It's a globalisation really Ireland if we do not remain compeditive we do not get business.... and that spins on to other businesses!!!! No they havn't lowered prices but then again mainy are operation at a loss and I don't know if you look in everytown in ireland think in the vast majority that you'll find shops, pubs and other business's closing......

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/02/2011 16:46:50    866020

Cavan_Slasher:

they should get full pay.... they are trainee's after all, many people don't get paid when being educated, I'll use myself as an example am working with a company as part of my masters thesis and don't get paid for it.

But saying that nursing being a front line job I do agree that they should be paid some amount as they need the pratical expireance in sure a job and will not be able to work anywhere else while training..... any idea what the nurses currently get?

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 12/02/2011 16:53:05    866024

12/02/2011 15:42:39
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 7182

865981 A lot of stuff there ruanua, maybe we don't need unions after all !! But then when you see what the Govt is proposing to with the trainee nurses over a 4 year period i still don't know. How are they expected to live if they have little or no income ?

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Lots of stuff - just a google search away - Also there is the NERA (national Employee rights authority) and probably another 5 quangos
As regards the nurses - I think the govenment did a U-turn but in any case Is it any different to going to college ?

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/02/2011 17:15:46    866042

The only difference as i understand it is that they are being used to replace fully qualified nurses and on the cheap. They call it work experience but they are doing the work of fully trained nurses and have no time to earn an alternative wage. However i am told by a friend that nurses get their education free but i don't know if that is true !! Their wages are to be phased out over the next four years on a gradual basis !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/02/2011 17:34:53    866052

Have retailers dropped theirt prices by twelve and a half per cent over the past twelve months ? Have they hell !!!

I think you'll find that the big retailers have (tesco etc.) they can afford to as they have a high volume and small margins also can buy in bulk, small retailers have suffered here they volume has decresed even more in the recession so they can afford to drop prices as they will make a loss...... if they are making as much as they have been all along how come so many retailers are closing shop??

I unfortunately just lost my part time job, punters expected free entry into the establishment and didn't want to spend anything after that! Entry fee's had to be increased punters boycotted because of increases thus we had to close. Just because their's a recession on people think they don't have to pay for things.

Simple fact is that the cost of many food items have come down (granted their going back up but that to do with global shortages), price of clothing has come down, utilities prices have dropped due to deregulation etc. and also their has been a peroid of deflation in the economy that points to prices dropping.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 14/02/2011 18:00:09    867679

Some food items have come down but not by anything like 12% !! On the other hand mortgages, petrol, home heating, education and bus fares have risen !!
The mortgage defaulters will be another big problem for the Government soon !!
N.A.M.A. now trying to sell off some properties at knock-down prices in some areas as they need to generate money !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/02/2011 18:45:22    867719

Slasher:
In what context and time frame are we talking, you outline mortages??? Interest rates were cut over the last few years mortgage rates have dropped but yes they are creeping back up..... Others that you outline are driven by the global demand for oil which is always increaseing in fact many countries pay more for oil than we do. I agree that taxation on oil is too high but this is not the driving force in the rise in price.

Mortgage defaulters are already a problem and that is why so much was needed to recapitalise that banks the vast majority went to cover losses on developers but there is an amount of it dealing with losses on mortgages..... leaveing their house and dropping the keys in the letter box is an increase way people deal with mortgage arrears.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 14/02/2011 20:34:25    867811