He is definitely Mayo's version of Borat !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 05/03/2011 12:16:57    881811

who said anything about client entertainment? all i sadi was i handed out a business card thats all so it was 100% a business trip. i think people should rate their jealousy out of 10 when they post to me

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 06/03/2011 10:43:40    882188

Cavan_Slasher:

Again slasher that's a bit harsh on borat!

Ballboy bob:
I'll admit it I'm jealouse..... mainly of your imagination that half a helicopter story, the best fiction writers couldn't have even come up with that classic.

As for the "debate" we had it was a bit one sided in fairness as you offered nothing to it and your supposed to be the expert..... We all know your not a business man but if you want to get yourself off the dole maybe think about going into fiction writing I think you have a flair for it and could make millions (instead of your imaginery millions)!!

No need to thank me as if you did it might help us all here as you wouldn't be on HS as much win win situation for all parties there!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 06/03/2011 21:46:51    882662

HAG the only thing you know for certain is you know nothing about me. make as many rash accusations you want my friend claim you know this that and the other but in the end all you can really say for certain is you know nothing about me and i know nothing about you. I know what i have and im happy with is so you continue away to think your ome sort of physic but at the end of the day you are just spoofing as to what you know- report card reads must try harder. i do hope you continue as people who know every and equally know nothing do give me a great laugh, esp with their self professed claims as to winning debates - you actually sound like a politician. you are one of my favourite stalkers on here keep going thesoap box is your....

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 07/03/2011 10:35:55    882737

liathroidboy:

One line response to that.... why won't you engage in a debate using the technicals term and principals on the area in which you apparantly work and and have supposidly published a PHD and masters papers in??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 07/03/2011 12:23:34    882837

liathroidboy
County: Mayo
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882188 who said anything about client entertainment? all i sadi was i handed out a business card thats all so it was 100% a business trip. i think people should rate their jealousy out of 10 when they post to me

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You're slower than i thought. Business trip or not you should know its illegal to claim an expense that didnt actually cost you anything.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 07/03/2011 12:41:42    882855

reciepts for flights, hotels, meals, etc etc are they certainly did cost money- dont know what tree your barking up cause to say your making no sense is an understatement. i put is down as a marketing exercise to attract speculative customers and i gave a business care to someone so it is a fully legitimate business trip- i ntaertained myself in the evenings which there is no law against and i went to a rugby match that was on i had free tickets so i though i might as well go- again im struggling to see a point in anything your saying- i can only assume you dont own a business

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 07/03/2011 13:32:20    882887

it all makes sense now HAG- i have realised from another thread that you are actually a student i.e. you have too much free time on your hands- keep reading out of the book good lad and leave the real business to us adults. i suppose im talking to the next steve jobs here :D i fear your like all students at present full of your own importance and ripe to be eaten up in the real world - oh my god it all makes so much sense now- my advice to you is keep reading all the stuff in the book cause its really useful you will be able to quote it all back to your master when you get a real job- im sure they will be really interested :D

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 07/03/2011 13:40:56    882890

Liathroidboy, while I dont regularly post but do read the threads on Hoganstand frequently I have to admit that I find your posts very entertaining.

However I think you have been found out quite clearly on this thread. Id like to hazard a guess that you are pretty intelligent and got about 420-460 points in your leaving cert. However you are studying something in college that requires little effort and teaching time e.g Arts. I bet you that you have told all your friends about your antics on Hoganstand and they get a regular laugh from reading your posts.I bet your single. I bet you follow programmes like Dragons Den and the Apprentice religously which is where you get all your busisness nonsense or else you have a younger brother and you regularly read his Junior Certificate Business studies book. Am I right?

Keep up the good work!

Jealousy 10

Hoscarano (Laois) - Posts: 56 - 07/03/2011 13:48:17    882895

You must be one of the slowest men ive ever.............

"I actually loved this strike, im in rome for the 6N booked my usual business class ticket to rome. Aer Lingus used a hired in plane (Monarch airways) with no business class so they refunded my ticket so i flew for free, yet i still have the origional reciept so i can claim that back against tax- so basically overall i will make a handsome profit from my trip to rome for a supposed business meeting :) !

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 07/03/2011 14:06:34    882915

"I actually loved this strike, im in rome for the 6N booked my usual business class ticket to rome. Aer Lingus used a hired in plane (Monarch airways) with no business class so they refunded my ticket so i flew for free, yet i still have the origional reciept so i can claim that back against tax- so basically overall i will make a handsome profit from my trip to rome for a supposed business meeting :) !

Aer Lingus dont operate BC to Europe.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 07/03/2011 15:21:15    882984

Liathroidboy, while I dont regularly post but do read the threads on Hoganstand frequently I have to admit that I find your posts very entertaining.

However I think you have been found out quite clearly on this thread. Id like to hazard a guess that you are pretty intelligent and got about 420-460 points in your leaving cert. However you are studying something in college that requires little effort and teaching time e.g Arts. I bet you that you have told all your friends about your antics on Hoganstand and they get a regular laugh from reading your posts.I bet your single. I bet you follow programmes like Dragons Den and the Apprentice religously which is where you get all your busisness nonsense or else you have a younger brother and you regularly read his Junior Certificate Business studies book. Am I right?

Keep up the good work!

Jealousy 10


I actually got crica 540 in the leaving if my memory serves me correct. im not at college anymore but i did find it easy- so easy i set up a business while studying. i havent told anyone i am one here as its not that big of a deal. Im married to a woman with an obsession wioth expensive clothes and the need to have in excess of 100 pairs of shoes. i have two kids- boy and a girl! I do find dragons den entertaining but i dont watch the apprentice as its a load of bull, big load of drama with 'executive' talk and its a salesman jobs and almost a bad door to door one that is on offer so i think its a fruad of a show to be honest. No i was the youngest myself so no younger brothers. Ya didnt really get much right but not a bad effort- plus i dont know how you can say 420-426 in the leaving cert is pretty intelligent. to me intelligence starts at 500.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 07/03/2011 15:37:20    882997

Apologies for taking so long to get back to you Hag. Anyway further to your post of 02/03/11 here are a few responses to the points raised.

Point one, I work in education and I stand over the comments I made about my colleagues past and present. Innovation, intelligence and vibrancy are not characteristics solely confined to the private sector. I have yet to meet anyone beaten down by the system in my workplace. What tends to wear people down is the constant relentless excoriation that emenates from certain sections of the private sector. The assumption of the moral high ground and the constant portrayal of public servants as leeches feeding off the efforts of the private sector does become demoralising at times.
Secondly you ask how the innovation is measured. Not everything can be measured. This obsession with measurement of inputs and outputs is something that has become a feature of life and it has quite frankly reached epidemic proportions. How for example do you measure the efforts of a teacher who persuades a disaffected student to stay in education and who helps that child to fulfil its potential ? As I said not everything in life can be measured. Nor is all wisdom contained in studies and reports.

Point Two.I agree with you on Benchmarking. It was a mechanism employed by the government to rid the country of the curse of relativities. It became relativities in reverse. I agree it is not possible to compare private and public both for the reasons you outline and also because of the declared income as opposed to actual income scenario I outlined previously. I'm not sure it is possible to conduct benchmarking as you outlined principally because some of the parameters you outline again are variables which fluctuate significantly most particularly cost of living.

Point Three. I was under the impression Jim O Leary resigned before the process was complete . I accept what you say and retract what I previously said.

Point Four. The deliberations of the first benchmarking commission were kept private at the behest of the private sector representatives. Why they requested this is not something I am privy to. It should not have happened.The first benchmarking commission delivered pay rises of 1.2 billion euro. Contrary to what you said the second benchmarking delivered pay rises of fifty million euro. All of those pay rises have been rescinded.

Point Five. In my place of work the management structure is fine. I cannot comment on other places of work. I agree that the flatter the management structure the better.

Point six. Irrespective of whether or not it is demanded by management immoral practises at work are unacceptable. It was that culture that tore this country apart. We now have the glitterati of the right wing commentariate such as Shane Ross attempting to deflect attention away from that sort of professional malpractice and load the blame once again on to the public service. This is ignoring the professional malpractice that existed in many professions.

Finally I will once again say that security of tenure is a life style choice the value of which fluctuates wildly with the prevailing times. Also public service pensions have to be guaranteed. Their contributions are not invested. They are used in day to day government spending. Also a pension only becomes relevant when you use it. I have had colleagues who have died before retirement as I am sure many people in the private sector have also had.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 07/03/2011 21:56:10    883399

Greengrass:

No problem mate it was worth wating for and I'm enjoying the discussion with the likes of yourself and slasher but sorry I'm not going to agree with what you say though ;)

Innovation, intelligence and vibrancy are not characteristics solely confined to the private sector.
I never said they were but the levels of innovation is where there is a difference and one of the major factors inhebiting innovation in the public sector is the bureaucracy therefore that is one of the reasons why reform is needed. Their is bureaucracy in the private sector but the most innovative companies have the flatest structures which puts decisons back in thge hands of the workers, the bureaucratic structure of the public sector dose not foster this to the degree needed. In your sector who for example makes decisions about sillabis etc. I was privi to some information about proformance monitoring in regards to the croke park agree in the education where the point was made at the first draft of the proposed model saying "We'er academics we should not be measured". Sorry if you getting a wage you should be measured.

Secondly you ask how the innovation is measured. Not everything can be measured.
I wonce again disagree with you there, I don't believe that I'm currently reading a book called how to measure anything and it argues that if you can observe something you can measure it. I believe you can measure almost anything maybe not just using one measure but a compination of many and subjective measures can be turned into objective ones. The arguement is how accurately can you measure, you need to measure to set objectives define strategies measure proformance and if you don't measure how do you prove you improving.

You can meassure innovation the oecd have measures that you have on proformance and companies try and measure it too.
In relation to measurement in the public sector well the are methodologies there to do it recently for example there is now a 4th generation balanced scorecard that really is aimed at the public sector and tries to measure social impact too.
http://www.excitant.co.uk/blog/fourth-generation-balanced-scorecards
Also again te oedc has its proformance measure that it benchmarks countries by too why were these not used in benchmarking.
I've also read a paper "Developing an Integrated Performance Measurement Framework for the Irish Civil Service" a discussion commissioned by the Committee for Public Management Research. Granted this use the 1st generation balanced scorecard which may not be suited to the public sector as well as later one's but has been in other countries. Their has been other papers like this so it was discussed why then not implement it.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 08/03/2011 15:56:38    883818

continued:


"The first benchmarking commission delivered pay rises of 1.2 billion euro. Contrary to what you said the second benchmarking delivered pay rises of fifty million euro. All of those pay rises have been rescinded."
I don't agree with you their either the figures just don't support this what about the annual pay rises in that time frame too. You did not take increased pensioned into that and also payroll into that.... between 2001 and 2006 the Exchequer's annual wages and pensions bill increased from 10.2 billion to 16.2 billion!

"Irrespective of whether or not it is demanded by management immoral practises at work are unacceptable."
I still see regulational as the major problem, if you give people room to swindle then they will swindle and it not just a problem in ireland it world wide and in my view regulation was to blame for the majority.

"Finally I will once again say that security of tenure is a life style choice the value of which fluctuates wildly with the prevailing times. Also public service pensions have to be guaranteed. Their contributions are not invested."
A lifestyle choice becuase it elimates risk right is that not worth something? Ok I'll give you that on pensions but what do you make of political parties idea's to uinvest the pension fund do you think things should change then?

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 08/03/2011 15:57:02    883820

Agency staff not reporting for work - this is a absolute disgrace in the HSE these people hav absolutely no shame. they dont work for the HSE therefore they should simply be removed and never even acknowledged again. quick and firm action must be taken- sick certs demanded, diciplinary action and ultimate removal from their agency duties. from now on the HSE should only use agency staff and they should turn them over regulary- the was to do this is keep the recruitment embargo forever and just keep people for no more than a year at a time and judge their performance to see are they kept on- this would take billions in unnecessary pay and crazy benefits and you will have alot less use of 'using up sick day' and the obligatory 'stress' that HSE employees use to get every single second they can off work. its about time we got these people working for a change instead of scheming- every single day they should be thinking that if they do not perform they will be out of a job

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 14/03/2011 13:46:06    888276

" from now on the HSE should only use agency staff and they should turn them over regulary"

BUT they are the people refusing to work !!
Why ? Because their wages were cut !!
They were only employed because of a scarcity of nurses which resulted from the embargo on employment !!
Do you understand anything ? Some consultant you are !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/03/2011 15:40:39    888447

God but you are a clown liathroidi. Hag will get back to you as soon as I can.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6180 - 14/03/2011 15:42:59    888455

cavan like their counterparts we hav seen that nurses have failed on their number 1 priority of giving care to people by striking and ruining the economy that we should not care 1 iota about nurses and we should just as i said before get them in on an agency basis- except from a foreign agency? they have a better work ethic, are cheaper, wont strike- as soon as the unions try to nab them- let them go and get another bunch. some of these nurse are only following the union line as we all know unions are nasty operations and rule their people with an iron fist- we must crush them and make sure the members suffer as much as possible to atone for their sins

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 15/03/2011 10:50:16    889112

You still don't understand anything !!
Thought you were going to the races !! Helicopter problems ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/03/2011 11:02:42    889124