Derry ledd- serious aggelations and absolutely nothing to back them up- you know ya are allowed socialise on a business trip

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 03/03/2011 20:07:35    880920

so we see the true mentality of the unions who had to retract the statement they made on the report into the department of finace recommedations - david begg mouthed off the union line as always and then had to take it all back as is usual rhetorical tripe appeared nowhere in the report and he hadent even read it. its safe to say these people have absolutely no shame

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 03/03/2011 21:06:57    880971

There's a wee song for you liathroidboy !! Enjoy !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 03/03/2011 21:20:15    880981

Ballboy bob:

productivity is that the best you can do that the sort of an answear a first year in secondary school would give, your the one with the college education and the years of expireance in the field. Grace us with your wisedom o wise one!!!

I'll give you another shot at it before I take you to pieces don't be afraid of detail after to all your suppposed to be the expert here!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 09:36:54    881042

Hag fire away and at the end of you rant it will basically be summed up as productivity-the idea is we basically want to get the working harder and in some instances just working at all would be enough, basically the public service shoud not see the state as their own little charity. please continuse with your rant i will enjoy reading it and confirm that you too say productivity. i am where i am because i speak short and sweet, not ramble on and come up with the same conclusion

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 04/03/2011 10:03:00    881055

isnt it great that eircom is cutting wages by 10% - these previously semi state companies and their lazy staff must now pay the price. I still always laugh when people tell me they bought eircom shares- i think it was a great idea by the govt to take money off stupid people who may do some styupid with it. i wrote a letter into a national paper at the time and it was published - it basically said that if eircom was such a great option the minnions on the street would know nothing about it- i genuinely laughed my head of at the people who lost a fortune. they basically backed a horse that didnt even leave the stalls- it was so funny looking at peoples confused heads thinking they were on a guarnteed winner

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 04/03/2011 10:16:26    881064

We all know what productivity is and in a business sense it's a little more complicated than that how do you go about setting it up and measuring it.... what would you know about best practise??
i am where i am because i speak short and sweet, not ramble on
Some people don't ramble on cause they don't know what their talking about??? What did you study in college by the way?

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 10:23:45    881073

What you said to my reply is like me asking you to explain how does you half a helicopter get from mayo to dublin and you saying I sit in it and fly it and don't want to ramble on as at the end of the day it flies. The real question I would have been asking was how dose it fly?? Dose that brake down what I want you to explain in regards benchmarking and productivity! Your a little "lean" on your answears not because the waste has been removed more like you don't have the value add to contribute to the answears..... see what i did there i put it in terms of your so called business expertise!
Forgive my ignorance o wise business one!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 10:31:37    881080

B.Comm, MBS, M.Phil, PhD

best practice on productivity is to fire low performers regularly i believe in the stick not the carrot method as this carot method presently employed has no use in organisation with ta state history of interference, or the public sector. the carrot only works in hight end knowledge work wher the motivation is not purely based around money! hop the helps- and best practice is the biggest fad ever its a term derived by bad academice and even worse consultants with socialist agendas.

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 04/03/2011 10:59:48    881103

Here is another wee song you will surely love liathroidboy !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb6_34rTYWs&feature=related

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/03/2011 11:36:30    881134

liathroidboy
County: Mayo
Posts: 2072

880920 Derry ledd- serious aggelations and absolutely nothing to back them up- you know ya are allowed socialise on a business trip

I dont know why im humoring you, as i know what you state below to be untrue anyway, but the proof is below.

05/02/2011 10:06:48
liathroidboy
County: Mayo
Posts: 1451


I actually loved this strike, im in rome for the 6N booked my usual business class ticket to rome. Aer Lingus used a hired in plane (Monarch airways) with no business class so they refunded my ticket so i flew for free, yet i still have the origional reciept so i can claim that back against tax- so basically overall i will make a handsome profit from my trip to rome for a supposed business meeting :)

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 04/03/2011 12:05:42    881162

Derry_Ledd,

You have him there alright !! BUT he is caught out by everybody anyway !!

Hag & Cheese,

I bet you didn't know that there was a Noddy School of Economics in Toy Town, Co Mayo !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/03/2011 13:01:41    881200

B.Comm, MBS, M.Phil, PhD

Lol of course you do no point in going into detail with you when you continue to be vage. But I'll point another hole in the apparant methods you use.

i use qualitative analysis does that sort it for you. its pointess debating with you on this i use my method you use other methods i couldnt be bothered going into the finer details

Yet the example you give in your proformace measures in productivity in the public sector are maninly quantitive measure I thought you base your theories around qualitive measures??I mean if you don't know the difference between them that says a lot. Also you say to measure academic on research quality how do you measure that, I've studied a proformance model which in the the process of being implemented and it a little bit more complicated than that reseach is a small part of what academics do. What about research funding gained for one thing??

You know anything about strategic management in relation to proformance measurement which productity would be a small subset of.... ever heard of a balanced scorecard that one of the methodologies used now mentioning that could let you give a critique on it if you knew what your talking about but i suppose in reality you don't know what your talking about so I not expecting much.

Mmmmm... is the student showing up the "master" again?? I mean a person with a phd should be able to shoot down my arguements quite easily with their knowledge, yet ur points are something a secondary school pupil could come up with you've no grasp of the technical terms what so ever.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 13:10:20    881210

and best practice is the biggest fad ever its a term derived by bad academice and even worse consultants with socialist agendas.

Tell the japanese that that how they made their name as the quilty specialists and in efficency started after the 2nd world war granted they dropped the ball a bit in recent years especially in the motor industry which badly managed outsourcing was to blame really. Best practise is in reality adopting the best way of doing things how is that a fad? Did you come up with your business theories yourself i suppose no-one has used them before? I not saying that they are best practise either that the thing with best practise some people adopt what they think is best practise when it not. Best practise is realitive to your business and your business context.

Yet another clanger dropped there Ballboy bob..... I put it simply for you what your doing say in football terms in trying to sidestep a challenge (in our case points of the debate) but ur getting nailed with a shoulder everytime!!! Bit of advice either stop sidestepping take the challenge or stay down.

But I hope you get up again as I'm quite enjoying making a fool of you!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 13:20:41    881215

I bet you didn't know that there was a Noddy School of Economics in Toy Town, Co Mayo !!

That's a bit harsh on noddy in fairness slasher!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 13:30:36    881225

i did hand out a business card so therfore it was a businss trip :) please try harder.

this is how i like to manage my employees they must know they are meaningless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lRZeuMZNw&feature=related

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 04/03/2011 13:37:05    881233

please try harder.

Maybe Practise what you preach in regards this thread Bob!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 14:36:15    881308

i did hand out a business card so therfore it was a businss trip

Business card how very 1994!!!! See your keeping with the Times Bob!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 04/03/2011 14:39:29    881310

more hag more im loving this you have still proved absolutely nothing at all

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 05/03/2011 09:47:49    881731

05/03/2011 09:47:49
liathroidboy
County: Mayo
Posts: 2096

881731 more hag more im loving this you have still proved absolutely nothing at all
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ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 05/03/2011 11:58:18    881804