Live version of Bad U2.At Live aid.
Best Irish Song ever.Close the thread now pls..

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 13/01/2011 18:06:01    845763

Manc Irish

Freedom Walk - Barleycorn, B side to Men behind the wire. I will always remember these to songs. When Internment came in the early 70's we had to hide them in the loft. MY mum and dad would come home from the club Saturday night and we'd get them down.


This was the same story in Glasgow at that time. A few jars on a Saturday night and then out with Dubliners, Barleycorn and Dermot O'Brien. I remember sneaking the records down from the loft on a Saturday night while me motehr and father were out on the bevvy and learning the words of Kevin Barry. Why aren't these songs played on the radio anymore ?

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 13/01/2011 20:16:59    845876

This was the same story in Glasgow at that time. A few jars on a Saturday night and then out with Dubliners, Barleycorn and Dermot O'Brien. I remember sneaking the records down from the loft on a Saturday night while me motehr and father were out on the bevvy and learning the words of Kevin Barry. Why aren't these songs played on the radio anymore ?

You can get them on the more serious music channels like Lyric FM or BBC 3

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 13/01/2011 20:32:25    845890

thistle_harps, You couldn't get the word's of the Internet back in those days. I remember trying to write the words of songs from records. Sometimes you would play the same line in the song over and over just because you couldn't make out what the singer was saying. lol The good old days hey.

Yes it was a difficult time being Irish in Britain during that time. Not as tough though as for the poor souls who had to live through the troubles in the North. I try to stay away from political arguments on this site as i don't feel i can properly contribute as i was not directly involved and my family are not from the North. I often feel sorry for our forgotten cousins in the 6. Funny how things go though as financially they are probably much better off today. Being treated as equals would at least be a start and things certainly look to be improving on that front.

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 14/01/2011 14:36:25    846225

the dubliners and the pogues,'irish rover'. can u get any more irish

john.no1 (Sligo) - Posts: 470 - 14/01/2011 16:02:21    846344

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thistle_harps, You couldn't get the word's of the Internet back in those days. I remember trying to write the words of songs from records. Sometimes you would play the same line in the song over and over just because you couldn't make out what the singer was saying. lol The good old days hey.


I remember those days so well. We had to play them quietly so as not to offend the neighbours and then the ould fella would come in bevvied and have them blasting out. I think we are even talking pre cassette player with this. God I feel a right old codger now.

Thanks for info on radio channels horse.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 14/01/2011 17:19:36    846423

One of my favourites is "The Isle of Inishfree" !! Not a rebel rouser but one of fondness for a certain part of Ireland with the theme of emigration running through it. Apparently written by a garda called John Farrelly while on a bus going to work. Little did he think then that his song would become world famous and be used in the 1952 film "The Quiet Man" !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 14/01/2011 18:32:58    846477

The greatest Irish song ever will of course come from the Best Irish Band ever.
Are You Ready

redandblackgaa (Tyrone) - Posts: 251 - 14/01/2011 18:50:16    846499

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Thanks for info on radio channels horse.

No worries. Culture Vultures 'R us.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/01/2011 19:16:59    846533

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwojFFXcazo

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/01/2011 19:28:41    846543

13/01/2011 13:11:50
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Freedom Walk - Barleycorn, B side to Men behind the wire. I will always remember these to songs. When Internment came in the early 70's we had to hide them in the loft. MY mum and dad would come home from the club Saturday night and we'd get them down.


Why did you keep records hidden in the loft?

In the folk clubs in Manchester in the 1970s many were singing these songs, not my good self I hasten to add, mostly English people. They were also singing "The Bold Fenian Men" and many, many others, and Jacobite songs as well.

The only anti Irish feeling I encountered in England was after the Brighton bomb when many bemoaned that it had not been more successful and cursed Irish competence.

But maybe I mixed in different circles, not too sure.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 14/01/2011 20:16:05    846594

Pat, i was only young at the time and as i said, i don't want to get into a political debate. But as far as i can remember internment was created back in 71 in the North. This created a natural fear in the Irish in England that they may also be targeted. These fears were heightened after the mainland bombings in 74 of the likes of Birmingham and Guilford. Now as the Birmingham 6 and Guilford 4 showed you did not have to be involved to be lifted.

Naturally tensions grew, the rumour mill flourished with talk of anyone showing republican tendencies in England may lead to arrest. IRA songs were band so hence hiding them where ever you could. as Thistle said Saturday night would often end up with me mum and Dad coming home after a few jars and the old tunes would reappear and a sing song would erupt. That's it really as far as i can remeber.

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 15/01/2011 11:27:03    846734

Anything by Rory Gallagher

abhainn (Galway) - Posts: 1000 - 16/01/2011 15:58:46    847283

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13/01/2011 13:11:50
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Freedom Walk - Barleycorn, B side to Men behind the wire. I will always remember these to songs. When Internment came in the early 70's we had to hide them in the loft. MY mum and dad would come home from the club Saturday night and we'd get them down.


Why did you keep records hidden in the loft?

In the folk clubs in Manchester in the 1970s many were singing these songs, not my good self I hasten to add, mostly English people. They were also singing "The Bold Fenian Men" and many, many others, and Jacobite songs as well.

The only anti Irish feeling I encountered in England was after the Brighton bomb when many bemoaned that it had not been more successful and cursed Irish competence.

But maybe I mixed in different circles, not too sure.



Pat you come across as a learned man. I'm not sure about mixing in the wrong circles but you must have had a strange accent at that time if it passed you by. May I suggest you buy a copy of the book Nothing But the Same Old story_ I think it was written by Liz Curtis. It is about the roots of anti-Irish racism in Britain from Victorian times until the 1990s. The chapter covering the 1970s will be of huge benefit to you. Only last night a tg4 documentary on the famous McCarthy family from LOndon and Clare touched on that period when they stopped telling their neighbours they were going to Ireland for their summer holidays due to negative comments. Due to sectarianism in Scotland this racism also had a religious edge to it which continued into the 80s and the pope's visit to Scotland, hunger strike, malvinas etc etc. The term head hung low like a Larne catholic was very evident if you were working class and had an Irish surname in the west of Scotland. Thankfully those days are all but gone.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 17/01/2011 10:59:28    847655

green and red of mayo

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 18/01/2011 12:56:03    848561

Green Fields of France

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN-NIHbfJ1k

Streets of New York

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXyv1TW4R4A

A pair of Brown Eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgDTVTGKcxs

clubstar09 (Mayo) - Posts: 463 - 18/01/2011 13:11:51    848582

thistle_harps, maybe Pat has never seen this side of the Irish sea judging by his comments. It would lead you to believe that, that is for sure????

All this talk of Manchester this and Manchester that, Patrick are you a fraud????

Maybe he's 7ft 2 and built like the proverbial **** house and no one would confront him. Fair play to you Pat.lol

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 18/01/2011 14:18:59    848654

Thousands are sailing by the pogues. Love it.

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 18/01/2011 17:46:13    848874

Town I Loved So Well by Phil Coulter. Brings back so many good, and bad, memories every time I hear it.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 18/01/2011 19:05:21    848982

Manc and Thistle.



Glasgow was as bad as Belfast. The saving grace was, as Paddy Devlin used to argue, they were united at election timeas they all voted labour. That at least gave them something in common.

England, like most countries, had racist elements. They have successfully addressed that today as they have managed to create a multi cultural society by and large. Obviously there will still be racist elements, you will never get 100% harmony, but they have made great strides.

In 1976 at a Folk Club in Hyde, a new club poory run at a poor venue, Anne English was singing "Glory oh" and a few people were making awful noise. my wife objected, which led to a row, but fortunately there were a group of 6 paratroopers in the club. On learning I was from Andersonstown they set about the opposition because they reckoned andersonstown was a great place.

so we can all tell individual stories, but you cannot judge society on individual stories. that row was not about the song or us being Irish. The Paras used the Irish bit to support me.

In all my time in England I can honestly remember only one occasion when someone was moaning about the Irish. This was Nottingham, 1980. My brother simply told the moaner that if we all had his attitude he would have already battered him because of Cromwell. End of trouble.

I know there are individual stories, and I know there are still small elements like the BNP. however in contrast to the hatred and vitriol on these pages from some in regard to anything English, I am happy to say that in my experience, the English are a charming people, and great champions of the underdog.

Their government may not be.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 18/01/2011 20:40:07    849062