Breffni39
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842908 Surprised bad.monkey didn't create a thread on this considering his hatred of ALL things old firm.
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brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 10/01/2011 12:37:42    842912

I think as soon as the news broke Ulsterman was on here registering his disgust, no-one else had a look in. Wouldn't surprise me if it was a Celtic fan actually who wanted to make Rangers and/or N.I. fans to appear as sectarian.

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/01/2011 12:44:19    842917

I despair that our society contains such mindless morons who are probably drinking in some members club right now boasting to their friends about the blow they struck for God and Ulster. I can't help but feel Darren Gibson has set an example which will be followed by many young nationalist players in declaring for the ROI where thankfully sectarian harassment is non-existent, and if it were to raise its ugly head, the media and fans would condemn it in no uncertain terms.

Unfortunately for Lennon and McGinn this is all par of the course in playing/managing Celtic. Boruc, McGeady, Peter Grant, Paul McStay and the late Tommy Burns were all subject to vile abuse on and off the pitch because they blessed themselves while wearing a Celtic shirt. In any other society it would be condemned without prejudice or reservation, however in the north and in Scotland there are always some who say 'they bring it on themselves', 'sure they should never have blessed themselves - they should know better'. Until this cancerous indifference is stamped out, such actions will happen again and again.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 10/01/2011 12:57:18    842924

themaster that situation has long been resolved and alot of people have moved on especially darren graham himself..just last month he came on in the Ulster IFC football final and won an Ulster title and is now looking forward to a All-Ireland semi final on the 30th January...

LE20 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 210 - 10/01/2011 13:03:35    842927

So according to plonker Lennon deserves all he gets and the bullets were probably sent by a Celtic fan to make others 'appear sectarian'. What a disgrace to say that sending bullets to anyone is in anyway justified. I suppose also by this logic the attack on property in Garavagh at the weekend was actually carried out by people burning their own car and attacking their own homes just to make it look like someone else.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 228 - 10/01/2011 13:08:00    842932

Bored silly and easily twisted 14 year olds I'm guessing...

Two rubbish teams, playing in a rubbish league, rubbish players, rubbish city, rubbish weather, rubbish prospects, .... while attracting a large amount of mindless bigots more interesested in spouting hate than cheering on their teams.

For the life of me foks... I just dont see the appeal!!

Yuck...!!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 10/01/2011 13:30:45    842941

I should have acknowledged in my first post that the IFA have taken great strides in recent years in stamping out sectarianism from Windsor Park, which is why it is all the more important to tackle this issue openly and quickly or else such achievements will be placed in jeopardy. Many years ago I lived just off the Village quite close to Windsor Park where at every NI match the chants of "U-U-UDA" were regular and frequent, those days are gone but there obviously remains some work to be done.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 10/01/2011 13:33:11    842942

I believe what The Master was getting at is that every sport has it's minority of idiots and the GAA is no different. Just like Graham came back to play for his club I'm sure McGinn will get the same rapturous response from the Windsor Park Crowd that he always does and this will show him these people in no way represent the FIFA recognised best fans in the World. Artisan I haven't seen the article about who has been charged in connection with this, typical West-Brit media censorship at work. Can you post a link please where it's shown it was a N.I. loyalist? I'd hate to think you were making assumptions without any proof, do you boys not always yap on about how you're innocent until proven guilty

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/01/2011 13:36:18    842944

Absolutely disgusting, disgraceful thing to happen. Hard to comprehend the mentality of the people who would do this, seems there needs to be more done in NI to separate politics/religion from sport. This kind of stuff is sickening

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 10/01/2011 13:45:23    842950

jimbodub
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842941 Bored silly and easily twisted 14 year olds I'm guessing...

Two rubbish teams, playing in a rubbish league, rubbish players, rubbish city, rubbish weather, rubbish prospects, .... while attracting a large amount of mindless bigots more interesested in spouting hate than cheering on their teams.

For the life of me foks... I just dont see the appeal!!

Yuck...!!
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brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 10/01/2011 14:19:45    842979

Of course there was also the incident recently when a referee received a death threat based directly on Lennon's comments. This was barely mentioned on here of course, it seems the Celtic brigade pick and choose when they find death threats disgusting, it all boils down to who gets them. So to summarise if you're going to go out of your way to offend others you can't be surprised if some idiots respond. While I feel deeply sorry for both McGinn and Lennon I can't help but feel Lennon is partly at fault for these events

Pomeroy the death threat on the referee was completely wrong and deserves complete condemnation. However for a moment just consider if I came on this board and said that the referee in question was partly at fault for his death threat because he went out of his way to offend people by making bad decisions. I'd only be using your own moronic logic yet I'm sure you would find what I said objectionable. Can you not see that?

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 10/01/2011 14:38:17    842994

'Two rubbish teams, playing in a rubbish league, rubbish players, rubbish city, rubbish weather, rubbish prospects, .... while attracting a large amount of mindless bigots more interesested in spouting hate than cheering on their teams.

For the life of me foks... I just dont see the appeal!! '

Excellent post indeed, the Old Firm fans constantly engage in a game of one-upmanship trying to prove the other is worse. It's like watching two bald men argue over a comb, they don't realise they're as bad as each other. You see from this board the Celtic fans are the same ones who actively support sectarian terrorist organisations, I'd say the same would be true for a proportion of Rangers fans. Luckily they're from the older generation mostly and as the years go by these attitudes die out, they're the last of a dying breed thankfully. I do pity them though, you can feel the bitterness through their posts and it does make you wonder if someone so bitter can be happy

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/01/2011 14:53:25    843010

'Pomeroy the death threat on the referee was completely wrong and deserves complete condemnation. However for a moment just consider if I came on this board and said that the referee in question was partly at fault for his death threat because he went out of his way to offend people by making bad decisions. I'd only be using your own moronic logic yet I'm sure you would find what I said objectionable. Can you not see that?'

The key difference here is the term 'went out of his way'. The referee in question didn't, he tried to do his job to the best of his ability but made a mistake which happens. A suitable punishment might be a word in his ear from his superiors or having to explain his actions, death threats not so much. Given what Lennon has said and done throughout his career he has offended a lot of people associated with a particular club and a particular side of the community. Of course death threats are not warranted, they never are, but if you're going to make comments that you know will cause offence you have to expect some sort of backlash. Given where he is from I'm sure Lennon was aware of this and what form this backlash may take but he made the comments and carried out these actions anyway. If I go down the Shankill wearing my Tyrone top I know what would happen to me, it's not fair or right that it would but I would have to shoulder a proportion of the blame for my stupid actions. You reap what you sow

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/01/2011 15:03:09    843026

well said artisan. i'd welcome anyone from the north to come play for the republic - besides, they would have a way better chance to get to a world cup!!

So pomeroy, nationalists did this. Did nationalists ever do anything right in your book. Incredible argument. well done.

It's a mark of how much of a non issue it is in the south that I don't know what religion/background any of our players are from. Even the ones obviously english - aldridge, townsend, cascarino etc - were cheered as much as the irish born players. I played hurling with protestants growing up, never any problems. Bigots are so pathetic whatever their background. I would obviously comdemn any such treatment of rangers management or players. Pity pomeroy feels the need to stick up for these bigots and blame the person who posted it....pomeroy, here's a theory, maybe mc ginn posted it to himself, would that theory make you happier??? Condemn it and don't add a caveat or condition....disgraceful.

Rangers and celtic are sooooooo broing to watch. Even worse than the premiership.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/01/2011 15:06:35    843029

Pomeroyplunkett i take it you will agree with me then and say Paul Gascoigne should "shoulder the blame" for the death threats he recieved for enticing the Celtic fans when pretending to play the flute?

LE20 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 210 - 10/01/2011 15:15:46    843044

So pomeroy 'given where he is from' what should he do? Doth the cap and keep the head low as so many did in the past. Anything for a quiet life eh. Stand in Windsor with the head held high to face the union flag and GSTQ. Hopefully McGinn and others drop the pretense, grow a pair and tell them where to stick it.

RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 228 - 10/01/2011 15:29:36    843059

Enticing the Celtic fans while playing the flute? Was he the Pied Piper of Hamelin or something? I wasn't aware he had received death threats from Celtic fans (though not at all surprised I must say) but he shouldn't have done it. Unlike Lennon's comments I'm sure Gazza done it in jest but given the nature of Celtic fans he should have known they'd play the victim card before retaliating with their own brand of justice. It's the Glasgow Celtic way

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 10/01/2011 15:37:22    843066

Given what Lennon has said and done throughout his career he has offended a lot of people associated with a particular club and a particular side of the community

Pomeroy to say Gazza did something in jest but Neil Lennon didnt shows what a hypocrite you are. Furthermore I might even take your comments seriously and not write you off as someone who bears serious hatred issues towards Celtic and Neil Lennon if you could actually demonstrate what Neil Lennon has supposedly 'said and done throughout his career'. I await with bated breath..........

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 10/01/2011 15:51:35    843074

Let us put things into perspective here.

Someone sent bullets to two people associated with Glasgow Celtic football club. As the two people concerned are from N.Ireland it is safe to assume it has some sort of "loyalist" connection.

However it was not the entire Unionist community who did this, it was not the IFA who have rid Windsor Park of most of the bigots (what can they do to stop this type of incident?) and it was not the entire Glasgow Rangers supporters either.

Just as we cannot hold the entire nationalist community to blame for the attack on the GAA member who was blown up last year, we cannot blame the entire Loyalist community for this incident.

It is to be condemned and hopefully once we get the remaining few neanderthals on both sides to move on things like this will be consigned to the past. To do so however, we need to change many, many mind sets, including some on here.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 10/01/2011 16:38:00    843106

why is there a discussion? Everyone condemns this out of hand bar pomeroy. He is determined to find a nationalist/republican at fault in some way. I would say that there are as many bigots in the celtic support as there are in the rangers support and I hate them all equally....i wish you did too pomeroy. Really sad posting here.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 10/01/2011 16:57:23    843133