Unsurmountable Nancyism even

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 31/12/2010 20:23:13    838503

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Mes Amis from being involved in under 8 and under 10 teams for the last 4 years i have seen first hand that the vast majority of players would much prefer to play proper hurling with proper hurling balls without having the restriction of having to stay within a certain area, not being allowed solo and must only play ground hurling. how does this help players develop if they are only allowed to play the ball on the ground for the vast majority of the games? No practise in the skill of catching the ball, rising the ball, striking the ball in the air, blocking, soloing etc. So now i ask how can that be good for hurling?

By just how much has hurling disimproved since the introduction of Go Games then?

For the record I'm not an advocate of using the Go Games model neccessarily but there is a lot of good that can be taken from them. You made a blanket doom filled statement about them which was alarmist and a little silly.

Go Games cannot ruin hurling, they might even improve it because it caters for late developers much better opportunity to play and enjoy the games. There is practice of catching, rising, striking, blocking and soloing in Go Games.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13837 - 01/01/2011 15:11:00    838595

Mes Amis, did i say that hurling has disimproved? i just said that i think it is ruining the game. There is not enough of the skills of the games being practised in the go games. The thing that most players remember is to stay in their section of the field, so even if the ball is 2 feet away from them they will get told not to play the ball how can this be good for reactions and anticipation? it promotes laziness. Also this idea of playing with a soft ball is utter madness.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 02/01/2011 11:13:50    838791

why would U21's need knee warmers??

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1737 - 02/01/2011 13:09:43    838816

Some people havent understood about the knee warmers thing I meant that after one thing of nancyism another follows and grows and grows and grows. Onlyhurling the model county championship is just a normal system i.e. 1 sole division with all the teams and a win takes 3 points draw 1 and then the top 6 or 8 play in a set of finals e.g top two in an A final 3rd and 4 th on table in B final etc etc...very good system since the county board adopted their own go games system. The county coiste na nog board have now recommeneded to the clubs that they take part in both championships

gaamad1996 (Wexford) - Posts: 439 - 02/01/2011 13:45:12    838826

i can't see knee warmers being made mandatory

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1737 - 02/01/2011 14:50:06    838848

Fair enuf

gaamad1996 (Wexford) - Posts: 439 - 02/01/2011 15:11:11    838853

Go games by the age of 10/11 have long served their purpose. The most progressive thing it has done is to give greater consideration to the size of juvenile teams and pitches. The best way to involve as many kids in a sport is to field panels with as few subs as possible. The best way to allow players to develop is on teams streamed on ability. You simply cannot shackle exceptionally talented kids by forcing them to play handicapped - its ridiculous, counter-productive and bad for the sport and you lose these players to other sports.
Most Dublin clubs virtually ignore go-games at U11/U12, they play regularly out-of-county teams and blitz's in which go-games are dispensed with. So the better Dublin clubs are progressing despite not because of go-games. As for evidence it works both ways there is none to prove it improves the game or taht it is a detriment, none whatsoever. I am a mentor of boys/girls underage teams for years and most boys/girls teams in Dublin, no one has ever approached me or my club for an accessemnet fo the impact of go-games its an expensive money racket. It has its place below U10 but over that age its an impediment.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4958 - 02/01/2011 18:00:19    838923

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Mes Amis, did i say that hurling has disimproved? i just said that i think it is ruining the game. There is not enough of the skills of the games being practised in the go games. The thing that most players remember is to stay in their section of the field, so even if the ball is 2 feet away from them they will get told not to play the ball how can this be good for reactions and anticipation? it promotes laziness. Also this idea of playing with a soft ball is utter madness.

So you think that Go Games are ruining hurling but not disimproving hurling?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13837 - 02/01/2011 18:22:54    838930

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Mes Amis, did i say that hurling has disimproved? i just said that i think it is ruining the game. There is not enough of the skills of the games being practised in the go games. The thing that most players remember is to stay in their section of the field, so even if the ball is 2 feet away from them they will get told not to play the ball how can this be good for reactions and anticipation? it promotes laziness. Also this idea of playing with a soft ball is utter madness.

So you think that Go Games are ruining hurling but not disimproving hurling?


It"s Dell speak.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 02/01/2011 18:32:26    838934

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838038 Recently at my countys convention I was alarmed to hear that a motion was put forward that shinguards to be introduced at all age groups up to and including under 12's. I think it was recommended after but the next thing will be knee warmers for under 21's, elbow heaters for minors.. SURELY THE GAA IS NOT REVOLVING INTO A SO CALLED "NANCY" association..

Can you explain the second last word in your post? I'm not allowed to lose it for some reason. Is it derogatory?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 02/01/2011 18:34:44    838937

Nothing wrong with Shinguards. Every player should wear a gum shield and a cup.

Hanley2 (Longford) - Posts: 420 - 03/01/2011 17:33:12    839207

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839207 Nothing wrong with Shinguards. Every player should wear a gum shield and a cup.

Camogie players generally do

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 03/01/2011 17:38:46    839219

Mes Amis i didn't give an opinion on whether i think the Go Games are improving or disimproving the game i simply said that i think it is ruining the game. They are not around long enough to see any improvement or disimprovement but from my experience i can say that they are ruining many young childrens enjoyment of the game.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 03/01/2011 18:13:41    839245

Ye cant really disimprove enjoyment but can ruin enjoyment

gaamad1996 (Wexford) - Posts: 439 - 03/01/2011 19:09:42    839280

I've been involved in Go Games for football in Manchester for the last 3 season's and i can honestly say that the standard of football has gone backward. Do kids enjoy it more?

Again, i would have to say they would prefer the old way. Well that is what my sons say anyway and their mates.

Numbers dropped off as kids lost interest, clubs have struggled to field on a regular basis. Is it working?

No not in Manchester!!!!!

It has very good aspects to it, re training, but that is what it is for me training exercises. The kids want to play matches and want a proper challenge.

Mancirish (UK) - Posts: 2200 - 03/01/2011 19:23:09    839300

Helmets in the Football would be funny.

Hanley2 (Longford) - Posts: 420 - 03/01/2011 20:18:16    839352

AS a 16 year old Lorrha man I'm sacred of being hit with a hurley so I wear shin pads at all times even when I go out for a few pucks.They should be mandatory in hurling and of course football

lowerormond2 (Tipperary) - Posts: 96 - 03/01/2011 20:38:27    839375

16 year old man??? Your only a child. You certainly have a high opinion of yourself. I agree with the protectionary measures.

Hanley2 (Longford) - Posts: 420 - 03/01/2011 20:42:13    839382

to anyone who calls it nancy- i would love to see your kids in hospital with a broken shin bone and see how your perspective changes- if its for safety im all for itas gaa has become a completely violent sport

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 09/01/2011 15:15:30    842406