Culchie
County: Cork
Posts: 381

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What has always annoyed me is the whole conspiracy theory thing that goes on inside the heads of some people. There are now, and have been in the past, many Cork players who 'played on the edge.' When they are, or were, caught out whilst acting the bowsie, I didn't hear half as many people playing the victim card. Some players have consistent records of making trouble at county and club level.

Are u serious??Saying that Cork lads dont play the victim card..What about Sean óg,donal óg aand diarmuid o sullivan spending half a week in an arbitration hearing in 2007 before a munster championship game and trying to get off??

What about ANthony Lynch n 2006 and Dnnacha O Connor in 2008 getting off on technicalities..Will u go away outta that..The cork lads didnt take their punishments then did they??

kerryeye (Kerry) - Posts: 76 - 11/01/2011 12:40:22    843844

hill16no1man
Its a brillant clip i laughed at it!

spicer (Cavan) - Posts: 89 - 11/01/2011 12:57:25    843863

No they didn't Kerrye. You're absolutely right.

However, did you find many people from Cork, or anywhere else, seriously entertaining the notion that they were victims of some vast Galvinesque conspiracy?

Each one of them was undeniably guilty. They could only blame themselves for their own behaviour. In my view, they shouldn't have gotton off on technicalities, but I don't blame them for using the rule book to their advantage. Whilst using the technicakl points of the rule book to get off might be something neither you nor I condone, it is not even remotely similar to playing the victim card.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 11/01/2011 13:13:41    843875

Victim mentaility refers to not taking responsibility or being accountable for your own actions in relation to the problem-getting off on a technicaity is no different; you are not then taking responsibility for or being accountable for your actions in relation to the problem caused. Using technaclities may be more highly thought of in a society that values "cute hoorism" but its corrupt and involves a concious understanding that you have done wrong but who cares. Victim mentality does not have to have a concious understanding.

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 11/01/2011 14:47:03    843970

Kerrykerry, To me (and I would have thought most others) 'victim mentality' means that one has the mentality of a victim. One sees oneself as a victim. There is no doubt that much of what Paul Galvin, and many others in the Kerry camp, say in relation to various Galvin incidents seem to conform with that definition of victim mentality.

In short, Galvin and many of his colleagues, consciously or unconsciously,repetedly seek to portray Mr G as the victim of some conspiracy (which I feel is imagined, but they may feel is real). The Cork players you mentioned never sought to make themselves victims, but instead slid off the hook on various technicalities. In addition, none of them are repeat offenders on the same scale as Galvin.

We've had Galvin type players in Cork. I fear we may even have another in the making (please don't name names, as nobody deserves to have certain behaviours publicly assumed, potential guilt is differnet to actual guilt). I reckon Cork and Kerry people can't be that radically different, so I suspect many Cork folk would also attempt to cast such players as victims. However, I'd like to think that I wouldn't. Any man who continues to act the gowl, when he has been repeatedly punished for doing so, is not a victim, he is a fool.

And, for the record, let me repeat that, whilst I understand players attempting to slide off the hook (I'd do the same in their position), I don't think they should get off on technicalities. The Cork players you referred to were all guilty of raising their hands to other players, and all of them should have served suspensions for behaviour that they knew was outside of the rules.

Culchie (Cork) - Posts: 799 - 11/01/2011 16:07:47    844052

Is he going to play with Kerry this year??

biffo1 (Cavan) - Posts: 148 - 11/01/2011 20:42:01    844318

Culchie, you have some good points-when it comes down to it, Paul needs to have more discipline if he is to play the game. I personally am proberly one of the Kerry folk who feel that he is sought out on the pitch because its know he will respond-and sometimes over-respond to breaking rules. This may be because he is regarded as being a key player for Kerry or down to more personal rivalary factors. Having said that I also feel that Colm Cooper is also sought out, fouled, hit etc and is certainly a key player for Kerry but responds in a more controlled manner. You could say they both play a different role in the team with Paul's playing on the edge being regarded as one of his key strengths.

Last year in the Kerry v Cork Munster semi-final and replay; I was hoping that we wouldn't play Cork-I felt especailly after the league game that he would be a target and knew that another red card could well mean the end for Kerry's football in September. I also knew that the cameras would be honed in on him as he is "news". He should have known better than respond and in the last few minutes.

I hope this year he will learn

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 11/01/2011 22:00:45    844427

Can we put this thread to bed please? He's just one player with a major ego - big deal what he does.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 12/01/2011 09:01:41    844453

Actually he's a former footballer of the year with 4 all ireland medals.

mikeoc (Kerry) - Posts: 567 - 12/01/2011 12:52:17    844632

Galvin was at e Ryan Cup Final last night to see his new team win very easily. Earlier in the day he refused to talk to the media at a launch in Croker for the Sigerson yet he talked to Tubridy on the radio before it. He was also on the Late Late which is where DIT heard about his availabiility, as this short story explains - http://www.jeromequinnmedia.com/watch/Dublin-College-thanks-Late-Late-Show-for-Paul-Galvin-301

Crossman (Down) - Posts: 153 - 27/01/2011 08:58:16    854676

sum playa

banterladhi (Donegal) - Posts: 502 - 27/01/2011 10:39:46    854739

Crossman-free will, he can talk with who he wants.

kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 27/01/2011 18:29:09    855173

Watched this last night and thought it was a decent documentary.
Not too sure that he is as much of a fashion man as he or others are making out, most of the stuff he was wearing looked pretty normal to me.
Id admit im not a fan of the bow ties, low cut tshirts or the skinny jeans (skinny jeans for skinny people) but all in all he certainly wouldnt stand out if he walked about in my home town....

I think he would probably be my favourite player in the gaa, i just wish he would get the chance to play football rather than watching from the sideline.
Its a waste of talent having him suspended.

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 28/01/2011 08:13:42    855487